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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

Kickstand=make Surface pro difficult to use type on while on lap, a weakness for something trying to pass as a laptop

people really use a laptop on their lap often??? I can't see that being a great usage spot for a 'lap'top. lol.

I keep laughing everytime someone mentions using a notebook on your lap as a selling point. how uncomfortable. if I am doing any real work I need a desk or at minimum a table. lol.
Edited by gammite - 2/6/13 at 5:40pm
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I wonder what the BOM on this is. Considering the CPU alone costs $200, I wouldn't be surprised if it cost $400 for just the hardware alone, let alone assembly and other costs. To want to see something like this go for $500 is completely unreasonable, $700 is a much more reasonable cost.

I was thinking about 700, 800 tops with the keyboard and office included. The idea sounds interesting but there are some things I don't like.

1) Why no spot for the pen?

2) Not really sure if this is true but not being able to easily sit and lay wherever I want to and use it easily is a downfall. The reviewer talks about this, it appears but true but I haven't used it to confirm this myself.

3) Battery life is one of my issues. If they would allow us to control rather or not the processor goes into turbo mood this could be worked with. I doubt undervolting would be possible. I'd rather leave my power brick at home.

4) HDD and ram are both soldered inside. This scares me about long term usage. I've had a lot of hdd die in on me and I would hate to replace the whole machine if one does. I wouldn't get the warranty so that would concern me.

5) HDD is too small to really replace both my laptop and tablet. SSD's work better with a little space and this doesn't give me a whole lot to work with. Some of the projects I've worked on were a little on the large side. Add in some games to play with and I can say goodbye to my space.

6) I worry about how well it will be supported by Microsoft. They give good OS support but in my experience their mobile support hasn't been so good. Instead of fixing problems they release new devices with the fixes and updates forcing their customers to upgrade if they want them. Windows 6 phones could never get 7 and the same with 8. I know the surface is actually running windows but I'm still interested in seeing how they support the pro and RT in the future.
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post #83 of 183
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I was thinking about 700, 800 tops with the keyboard and office included. The idea sounds interesting but there are some things I don't like.

1) Why no spot for the pen?

The pen is magnetically attached to the side, the same way the power cord is.


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2) Not really sure if this is true but not being able to easily sit and lay wherever I want to and use it easily is a downfall. The reviewer talks about this, it appears but true but I haven't used it to confirm this myself.

Why wouldn't you? The premise of this complaint is that it's too heavy and too bulky to orient it this way. It's .25" thicker, and .56lbs heavier than the iPad which isn't a deal breaker unless you have the wrists of an infant.
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3) Battery life is one of my issues. If they would allow us to control rather or not the processor goes into turbo mood this could be worked with. I doubt undervolting would be possible. I'd rather leave my power brick at home.

This is a fair point, but to use it as you would an iPad would defeat the purpose. Compared to other Ultrabooks, its about on par in battery life.
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4) HDD and ram are both soldered inside. This scares me about long term usage. I've had a lot of hdd die in on me and I would hate to replace the whole machine if one does. I wouldn't get the warranty so that would concern me.

All tablets have soldered memory.
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5) HDD is too small to really replace both my laptop and tablet. SSD's work better with a little space and this doesn't give me a whole lot to work with. Some of the projects I've worked on were a little on the large side. Add in some games to play with and I can say goodbye to my space.

You can delete the recovery partition, built-in apps, or just use external storage via USB or SDXC.
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6) I worry about how well it will be supported by Microsoft. They give good OS support but in my experience their mobile support hasn't been so good. Instead of fixing problems they release new devices with the fixes and updates forcing their customers to upgrade if they want them. Windows 6 phones could never get 7 and the same with 8. I know the surface is actually running windows but I'm still interested in seeing how they support the pro and RT in the future.

This is tablet that runs Windows 8 with the Win32 API, so as long as they support Windows 8, you'll have support on this tablet. Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, and Windows Phone 8 all brought significant changes to the kernel, so having any backwards compatibility was difficult/impossible.
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post #84 of 183
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Originally Posted by CrazyHeaven View Post

I was thinking about 700, 800 tops with the keyboard and office included. The idea sounds interesting but there are some things I don't like.

1) Why no spot for the pen?

The pen is magnetically attached to the side, the same way the power cord is.


Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyHeaven View Post

2) Not really sure if this is true but not being able to easily sit and lay wherever I want to and use it easily is a downfall. The reviewer talks about this, it appears but true but I haven't used it to confirm this myself.

Why wouldn't you? The premise of this complaint is that it's too heavy and too bulky to orient it this way. It's .25" thicker, and .56lbs heavier than the iPad which isn't a deal breaker unless you have the wrists of an infant.
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Originally Posted by CrazyHeaven View Post

3) Battery life is one of my issues. If they would allow us to control rather or not the processor goes into turbo mood this could be worked with. I doubt undervolting would be possible. I'd rather leave my power brick at home.

This is a fair point, but to use it as you would an iPad would defeat the purpose. Compared to other Ultrabooks, its about on par in battery life.
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Originally Posted by CrazyHeaven View Post

4) HDD and ram are both soldered inside. This scares me about long term usage. I've had a lot of hdd die in on me and I would hate to replace the whole machine if one does. I wouldn't get the warranty so that would concern me.

All tablets have soldered memory.
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Originally Posted by CrazyHeaven View Post

5) HDD is too small to really replace both my laptop and tablet. SSD's work better with a little space and this doesn't give me a whole lot to work with. Some of the projects I've worked on were a little on the large side. Add in some games to play with and I can say goodbye to my space.

You can delete the recovery partition, built-in apps, or just use external storage via USB or SDXC.
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Originally Posted by CrazyHeaven View Post

6) I worry about how well it will be supported by Microsoft. They give good OS support but in my experience their mobile support hasn't been so good. Instead of fixing problems they release new devices with the fixes and updates forcing their customers to upgrade if they want them. Windows 6 phones could never get 7 and the same with 8. I know the surface is actually running windows but I'm still interested in seeing how they support the pro and RT in the future.

This is tablet that runs Windows 8 with the Win32 API, so as long as they support Windows 8, you'll have support on this tablet. Windows Mobile, Windows Phone 7, and Windows Phone 8 all brought significant changes to the kernel, so having any backwards compatibility was difficult/impossible.
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5-7 hours is pretty bad I would say :/ I was ready to get one too.

How so? The MBA 11" only last 5-6 hours according to Anandtechs review...

You can do more in 6 hours on the Surface than you can with similar Android and iPad tablets. If all you want to do is read Kindle books and watch Netflix, go buy a $99 iRobot Android tablet.

yuppers

i'd also suggest any 16:9 TABLET in general if that's all you are going to do. I recommend ipad2s and minis to everyone, but for videos? nah. aspect ratio is all wrong.
post #86 of 183
I think I'd really prefer the Surface RT myself. Just wish it was cheaper...
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You should probably stop reading and try one then.

Why? My current laptop is superior, it's just as portable, easier to use, has equal battery life and cost me a lot less. The only reason I'd get a Surface Pro would be if I needed a touch-screen that badly or cared about 1080p on a laptop...Which means I have poor scaling as Windows still doesn't support ultra high DPIs that well as has been said in virtually every review so far.

There's barely any positives over a normal laptop or ultrabook on this as it stands now, but a tonne of negatives. (My laptop launched right before there were some pretty decent increases in battery life thanks to APUs being much more common too, and has an external HD545v/4550 and a Core i3 370M)
    
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From the Ars Technica review of the Surface Pro:

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From a laptop perspective, Surface Pro falls down too. The traditional laptop has a stiff hinge to hold the screen at an angle of your choosing. It is hard to understate the importance of this hinge. I use laptops not just because they're small and I want something that won't take lots of space in my home, but because I actually need portable computing. I go to conferences, I stay in hotels, I ride trains, and take planes. My laptop's hinge means I can comfortably use my laptop with coffee tables, dining tables, the little desks you get in hotel rooms, and wherever else I happen to be.

The hinge also means I can comfortably use the laptop even without a desk at all, on my lap. As long as the laptop's center of gravity is over my knees, it will be solid and stable, which means I can keep it a comfortable distance away from me so my arms aren't all scrunched up just typing on the thing. In practice, this means I have the hinge hanging in free space.

The Surface kickstand offers me none of that. It puts the screen at the right angle when my desk is a particular height, but at any other height it's the wrong angle. And worse, when using it on my lap, unless the kickstand is supported the screen flops uselessly. The result? In practice, the Surface RT and Surface Pro have a bigger footprint on my lap even than my old 15-inch MacBook Pro. And if I move a little, whomp, the screen drops off the back of my knees and folds out of sight. The Surface Pro is smaller and more svelte than my MacBook Pro, yet it's far more demanding of space.


Surface Pro manages to be substantially smaller than my MacBook Pro, and yet it occupies even more space on my lap. Now think about the implications that has for cramming this thing on the tray table of your cattle-class flight.


This is what I've been saying all along regarding the kickstand.

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The Good

The screen is pretty
Touch Covers and Type Covers are still good typing solutions
The build quality remains first-rate
Runs Windows apps with aplomb

The Bad

Runs hot
Runs loud
Runs short
The whole resolution scaling situation is unsatisfactory
Metro-style apps still lacking in breadth, number, and quality

The Ugly

The design fundamentally doesn't work

Edited by tpi2007 - 2/6/13 at 7:56pm
 
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The Surface kickstand offers me none of that. It puts the screen at the right angle when my desk is a particular height, but at any other height it's the wrong angle. And worse, when using it on my lap, unless the kickstand is supported the screen flops uselessly. The result? In practice, the Surface RT and Surface Pro have a bigger footprint on my lap even than my old 15-inch MacBook Pro. And if I move a little, whomp, the screen drops off the back of my knees and folds out of sight. The Surface Pro is smaller and more svelte than my MacBook Pro, yet it's far more demanding of space.

so my 15" takes up less space AND the screen randomly collapses if i so much as sneeze...sounds like complete fail as a laptop replacement
post #90 of 183
Point me to the laptop that can fully function as a tablet as well. Of course there is compromise with the Surface, it can do both....


EDIT - I did see that new Lenovo Yoga laptop and its pretty cool. I'd imagine it is still thicker and heavier than a Surface though....
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