Originally Posted by tpi2007
Originally Posted by Brutuz
Actually, the FX-*3*0s aren't Piledriver ala Trinity, they're Bulldozer with a few of Piledrivers improvements but lacking others assuming memory serves. (ala RCM)
It's pretty likely that this is real Piledriver, I'd agree that it'd be a refresh but I've heard nothing but "Second Generation Piledriver" and not refresh once, that said I doubt IPC will increase more than 5% if at all, but RCM could be included which could enable higher overclocks and lower power consumption.
I wasn't aware of that, I thought socket AM3+ Piledriver CPUs already had RCM and that was what had enabled higher clocks and lower power consumption, thanks for the info.
I just went ahead and checked a few sites and this is what came up on the Tom's Hardware review
(where I possibly had gotten this impression):
Ed.: Originally, this story contained a page exploring resonant clock mesh technology, from Cyclos Semiconductor, which was expected to surface in AMD's Piledriver-based SoCs. Upon discussing this in greater depth with the company, however, "the timing of the products and the implementation of resonant clock mesh caused [the technology] to not be productized with "Piledriver" based processors." As such, we've removed that page to avoid any confusion.
I'm curious to see what they can accomplish with RCM. If memory serves me right, they did have a quote from someone from Cyclos Semiconductor that did say that the optimal range for RCM to be noticeable would be around up to 3.5 Ghz or something along those lines, so thinking back, it makes you wonder if it would add anything to the current Piledriver generation and if it will do anything to the second generation, even more so if they are going to be relying on increasing the clockspeed in order to increase performance, which should fall even more outside of RCM's range of useful operation.
Average OCing between an FX-8150 and an FX-8350 is actually so close you may as well call it the same (The difference would be important to a 486, but even a Pentium III wouldn't notice it..It's literally like 20Mhz) it's just that IPC on a single thread went up by 5% on the FX-8350, and multi-threaded performance went up by ~15% iirc.
Hopefully these do well against Haswell, or at least as well as the current FX-8350s fare...Behind a bit in gaming but ahead at the same price point for most tasks where the CPU is actually the bottleneck.
Originally Posted by Blameless
I'm still not expecting RCM till Steamroller, but we'll see.
I'm not expecting it, but I suspect that RCM is in these new chips, or at the very least a new revision...It just seems more substantial than the usual "AMD launching FX-8170" style news that we've heard before and knew from the start was merely a clock speed increase.
Originally Posted by sherlock
Wouldn't this be a good time to launch the 1090 Chipset with PCIE3.0 support(given the controller is on the mobo) ?
Screw releasing a new chipset, let them work on making a great LGA socket to replace AM3+ and FM2 for after Steamroller or something, have PCIe3.0 lanes on the CPU and make a great southbridge for it.
Originally Posted by SoloCamo
Originally Posted by KyadCK
Think Ph II...
955 -> 960 -> 965 -> 970 -> 975 -> 980
Refinement is good. Means the process and design are maturing quick enough that they can keep updating their line.
Or we could be completely wrong, but I'm pretty sure if it were a huge step up it'd be "Steamroller", not "Second generation Piledriver".
Exactly. This is no more then a refinement of the current process and slight updates, there will not be big gains at this point until Steamroller.
The difference being anyone with a brain knew it was just a higher stock clock speed as soon as we even heard there were some new Phenom IIs coming out, currently rumours seem like it's going to be more substantial...I'm taking it with a grain of salt but definitely hanging out to see if I can get a cheap 8 core.
Originally Posted by EniGma1987
Perhaps Resonant Clock Mesh could be used in a way to significantly lower idle draw.
More likely they'd use it to lower idles somewhat, have the stock non-turbo speeds around 3.5Ghz or so and then have Turbo clocks that are pretty high, or they've found a way to make RCM more efficient at 4Ghz+.
Originally Posted by Kaelyn Meyer
Hmm is this mybe that
'' This is not the last cpu that will use am3+ socket'' .
Maybe AMD was refering to just this refresh. That means steamroller is new socket??????
Not very likely, I think SR is going to be the send off to FM2 and AM3+ and we'll get an entirely new socket that is like FM2 but newer with some SR CPUs but mainly for Excavator.