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I wish Nintendo's systems were as powerful as Microsoft's and Sony's. Any word on how the PS4 will handle this issues? Always-on sucks furry spheres between a chimpanzee's legs.
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So what if your systems breaks, and you have to buy a new one...........................

Sorry, but no thanks. They can keep it, and I'll just buy another graphics card (s). Sorry Master Chief. Your rulers failed you on this one. No Halo 5 for me
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So what if your systems breaks, and you have to buy a new one...........................

Sorry, but no thanks. They can keep it, and I'll just buy another graphics card (s). Sorry Master Chief. Your rulers failed you on this one. No Halo 5 for me

probably the same thing that happens why you build/buy a new computer, all your games are linked to you Origin/Steam/LIVE account
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Well I didn't consider my response to be part of the general consensus, thanks for volunteering me to be a part of that biggrin.gif

You are taking my original post completely out of context. In fact, you did that from the start. Allow me to refresh your memory.


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Originally Posted by Schoat333 View Post

Honestly, how many of you don't have your xbox always online, even when your not playing online? Mine is always online. I'm going to bet there will still be a way to play if you don't have internet tho.

I am not surprised by the activation codes tho. The developers have been at war with the used game market for years.

First post. You responded with this.
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If someone ever has an outage, then what? Things like that happen, so it will be a huge pain if and when they do :/

And I responded with this.
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It's the same way with Steam. I fail to see the difference. Offline mode only works if you can connect to the internet and then disconnect.



In recapitulation of this entire conversation, first poster said his current Xbox is always online. Simple enough. You responded by asking what happens if someone has an outage, then what? You turned it from his current Xbox into a situation involving the new Xbox. I responded by saying that you must FIRST connect to Steam before you can disconnect from the internet. It was an example of a proposed scenario that may happen with the new Xbox. In essence, I was saying that Steam, in that specific scenario, was the same in regard to the CURRENT Xbox, not the new one. Then you took my comment completely out of context by saying that I was comparing Steam to the NEW Xbox, when clearly I was not.

Now that that is cleared up, anything else, or will you lay this pointless argument to rest?
Edited by Mad Pistol - 2/6/13 at 10:51am
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So... If i played and finished game A, and my friend played and finished game B.... is it OK to swap the consoles so I can now play B and he play A?
or M$ will come with some 'solution' to make it impossible as well?
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You are taking my original post completely out of context. In fact, you did that from the start. Allow me to refresh your memory.
First post. You responded with this.
And I responded with this.
In recapitulation of this entire conversation, first poster said his current Xbox is always online. Simple enough. You responded by asking what happens if someone has an outage, then what? You turned it from his current Xbox into a situation involving the new Xbox. I responded by saying that you must FIRST connect to Steam before you can disconnect from the internet. It was an example of a proposed scenario that may happen with the new Xbox. In essence, I was saying that Steam, in that specific scenario, was the same in regard to the CURRENT Xbox, not the new one. Then you took my comment completely out of context by saying that I was comparing Steam to the NEW Xbox, when clearly I was not.

Now that that is cleared up, anything else, or will you lay this pointless argument to rest?

My first reponse was not necessarily towards the person that was quoted, but to what might happen if someone has an outage with the new Xbox. Of course that's when you came in and said it will be the same way Steam handles it, and of course I mearly pointed that we don't know how it will work and that doesn't apply tongue.gif I know forums aren't perfect and what we say might not be fully understood, but there isn't a need to get your jimmies rustled because it it. smile.gif

Now back on topic, yes?
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Originally Posted by BahamutZer0 View Post

offer a Kiosk for $9.99 you can buy a new activation code for used games.

This makes sense for the whole subject if they price it reasonably and offer incentives to do so.
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My first reponse was not necessarily towards the person that was quoted, but to what might happen if someone has an outage with the new Xbox. Of course that's when you came in and said it will be the same way Steam handles it, and of course I mearly pointed that we don't know how it will work and that doesn't apply tongue.gif I know forums aren't perfect and what we say might not be fully understood, but there isn't a need to get your jimmies rustled because it it. smile.gif

Now back on topic, yes?

Sorry, but I'm not letting you get away with that statement. I NEVER said that. The issue is that you THINK I said that, but that statement was directed towards the current Xbox, not the new one. I responded to your post with the basis of the person YOU were responding to, and he was talking about his current Xbox. If that was the basis of your entire post, then you should just drop it and stop quoting me saying that I said something that I did not.

Or you can continue arguing over something pointless. Your choice.
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Why is this a rumour in the news section? Shouldn't it be in, oh, I don't know, the rumours section?
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Do you have a source on this?

nope, was direct from MS

the entire "no second hand games" came from a article i wrote; some other blogger took bits and pieces from what i said AND the discussion in the forums, then ran with his bs theory. then his article was spread by other leeches.

here was what i saved from the old forum post we had on the inca site before we dumped it and the host and went with vps hosting
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This is a Concept rendering I personally like for the xbox 720 by designer Joseph Dumary. As you may notice it has no optical drive. There are rumors that the new system would do away with optical drives and have all game content as just downloads from the online archives. This would be a good choice to save money and unnecessary Components/electronics from the system. Something i plan on doing with my home pc. honestly who uses CD or DVD anymore, when everything can be done via flash drives or downloading from the net? However as stated above, the Xbox 720 / Durango will have a bluray drive. Also the impact from dropping optical media from future systems would seriously impact our job market. Just think of all the non-gamer people that work at GameStop, they would have to find another job they know nothing about.

that was one article posting where i was talking about the next gen system.
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Next-Gen console, Built it the geek way.

In our forums, we have a discussion about the next-gen Xbox console. You can check out the post via Next-Gen Xbox 720. Superman-Is Fat asks
With us on the verg of the new gaming systems. It has everyone speculating what will come next. List things you would like to see added or what needs to be fixed.
Personally the blue-ray would be nice, no over heating problems RROD, more 3D games, and better graphics because PS3 im sure is gonna come out swinging with there graphics.

What’s your thoughts?

So me, being me, I have a totally different approach to what should be done. So sit back and let me take you on the journey that is my idea. Warning this will be very detailed with math and other smart sounding stuff, things, and what-cha-ma-call-its.

Brief overview of both Xbox 360 and PS3 and ramp up to tech info

From the start both Microsoft and Sony had their share of issues with their systems. This is to be expected with a new breed of system. For the most part they redesigned a PC and integrated the GPU (graphics processing unit) and CPU (central processing unit) into the motherboard. In laymen terms GPU takes care of what you see and the CPU tells your system what to do and when to do it. Both Xbox 360 and PS3 use a 5400rpm hard drive with 8mb cache. Inside these hard drives are metal disks that spin when data is needed, it’s a lot like an optical drive. RPM is how fast it spins, think of this like driving to a friends house and RPM is your MPH, the more RPM you have the faster the data gets to you. Cache is like Ram, the CPU will give instructions to the hard drive, this goes to the cache first this permits the CPU to move onto other tasks and not have to wait around for the hard drive.

Time to make the readers go nuts with the first Next-Gen idea

Neither system should have Bluray, further more, no device should have an optical drive (define:optical drive) .
{Insert dramatic pause}
Optical drives, regardless of the size or features currently out are based on outdated technology that should have been discontinued ages ago. Bluray is the equivalent of girls at clubs that slaughter pixies to have that sparkly crap all over them. If you are a man and are unfortunate enough to dance or fornicate with one of these human disco balls / twilight vampish females, you know just how annoying it is to try getting that crap off of your body, out of your bed, and out of your car. For computer geeks like myself it’s the same thing only with a dead technology that someone slaps a new shiny label with different abilities, steps back and says “Look at me, I took this Amish buggy and put racing stripes on it. now tell me I’m fantastic!”

Now you may ask; “How would I install software on my PC or play a game on my Xbox, Playstation, or Wii?”. Simple Flash media or direct downloading. I have windows 7 64bit installer on a usb drive. I downloaded the iso from microsoft, used some software and dropped the installer onto the flash drive. Windows actually even has this Disk to USB tool on their site HERE. See that, no need for a optical drive after you do this. You actually don’t need one to even get started, Microsoft has the option to download the ISO directly online! ANYWAYS, I’m off topic, sort of.

We are in a digital age, so why are we using this junk? we could either keep content as downloadable for the future-gen consoles or a mix of flash drive type media and downloads. Superman-Is Fat brought up a valid point in the forum discussion reply to me saying;

Stream or direct downloads work good but what happens if something corrupts and the game is no longer offered?? That kinda makes consumers weiry to not have that disc in there hands to prove owner ship.

As far as I have seen, this isn’t an issue with either system. Some of the first downloads I paid for on Xbox 360 have been removed and re-downloaded on my old Xbox to my new Xbox. Microsoft and Sony both plan to keep all content they have online for download. Deleting a file that someone has bought from the archive isn’t a likely situation. As for tangible-in-your-hands content; People are totally fine with services like iTunes where you pay for audio or video content that you aren’t able to touch. Later he had this rebuttal;

The resell market for video games would be gone. Barrowing games from friends to test run, gone, game rentals (pretty much gone any way) gone. I could see them making it so you could rent games online.

The part about not being able to hit a friends house with your game or swap them between each other, wasn’t one I had thought about. However it gave me further ideas on the future-jollyriffic-gen system and how to solve this problem.

Additions and Changes to what rumors say will be in the next-gen systems

No optical drive
2 front mounted USB 3.0 ports, however i would settle for usb 2.0 for cost factors
SSD (solid state hard drive) 64gb would be fine.
4 SD type card readers, designed to work only with the system (details below)
To combat the issue with no tangable item, swapping games with friends, selling/trading games back to places like GameStop, a new media device would be created that would be almost the same as a SD card for a phone. Think USB flash drive meets Gameboy cartridge.
Advantages of Flash media over optical drive. here comes the mathematics and technical talk. In the forum i use two read speed terms megabit and megabyte. I’ll translate all of this here as megabyte per second to reduce confusion.

Bluray has a Reading speed of 6.75MByte/s (based off of real world speeds in the PS3, not best case)
USB 2.0 has a Reading speed of 24.5MByte/s (Tested with Patriot Xporter XT a usb 2.0 flash drive)
USB 3.0 has a Reading speed of 149MByte/s (Tested with Mushkin ventura Pro a usb 3.0 flash drive)
USB 2.0 is 3.63 times faster than Bluray
USB 3.0 is 22 times faster than Bluray and 6 times faster than usb 2.0.
One huge point not even discussed is seek time. Seek time is how long it takes to find the information you need. This applys to any data store device from Flash, Optical, Platter hard drives, or others not discussed here. While you have to wait for the Optical Drive to spin up, the flash drive would already have delivered the content.

Benefits of flash memory gaming

No moving parts, less parts to break or wear out
Faster load times
Easy on the go games you can drop into your pocket
Smaller Packaging making less landfill waste and smaller budget on shipping games to retailers (more quantity in same size shipping box)
Content if corrupted can be reloaded back to the flash media. try that with a disk!
Internal Hard Drive

Currently both Sony with the Playstation 3 and Microsoft with the Xbox 360 use 5400rpm hard drives. These are “in my opinion” bottom of the ladder hard drives. They use Sata so that’s a slight advantage over PSATA in terms of Data Speed.
A 5400rpm hard drive you will end up seeing Read speeds at 84MByte/s
However I would use a 64gb SSD, as their are zero moving parts and is much faster.
As an example Samsung’s 830 64gb SSD has a read speed of 520MByte/s,

77 times faster than Bluray
21 times faster than usb 2.0
3.5 times faster than usb 3.0, and even faster seek times.
6.2 times faster than sata hard drive currently in our systems.
Speed, Seek, Times Faster, *** are you getting at?

Your system, be it a computer or console (pretty much the same thing), is only as fast as its’ slowest bottleneck. The two killers on both systems are the hard and optical drives. Load times can be chopped by drastic amounts, in game lag a thing of the past.
When playing MW3 or MW2, if someone throws a smoke grenade, video and moment can get choppy or extremely choppy due to all the rendering and calling for files from either the optical drive or hard drive. With little to no bottle necking these things will be reduced or gone. Do understand that this also has more to do with the GPU and CPU than either the optical or hard drive, yet they still play a roll. These are just two examples of many.

NEXT-GEN REDUCTION IN LOAD TIMES
SSD
Games loaded directly from SSD

77 times faster loading vs Bluray
21 times faster loading vs usb 2.0
3.5 times faster loading vs usb 3.0
6.2 times faster loading vs sata hard drive
USB 3.0
Games Loaded directly from USB 3.0

22 times faster loading vs Bluray
6 times faster vs usb 2.0.
1.78 times faster vs current hard drive, also seek time blows the doors of platter type hard drives.
USB 2.0
Games loaded from usb 2.0

USB 2.0 is 3.63 times faster than Bluray
Read speed beaten by current hard drive but seek times are quicker.
Back to less technical stuff & final thoughts

So for the games, put them onto a usb 3.0 type platform. Redesign either the flash media to lock down the encryption so people can’t rip the games and share them or apply hacks. Even just this one feature would be enough for now. The game on this usb type chip could also host your in-game stats. Go to a friends house, bring your Flash USB type game pop it in and sign in via the cloud to pull your info of items collected, gun unlocks, level, etc and play.
The majority of this is to point out that Optical Drives, should be eliminated from gaming and entertainment. The worst is when you scratch a disk or damage it in some way and cant get it to read. You then have to buy another copy of something you already paid for. If you were to use digital media of any sort, their could be a digital registration that happens and if the file were to corrupt, the system could see that and re-download or install the game back to the media card or hard drive. Something that CAN NOT be done with a CD, DVD, or Bluray disk. Once damaged you are SOL.

anyways most of the quoted content came from our old mingle forum that was attached to an old wordpress blog. we have since switched to vbulletin and since you cant back up mingle forums all that content was lost.
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