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For everyone comparing this to Steam, I will explain how this is different because you guys obviously are missing it.

Steam games are bound to an ACCOUNT not to hardware. You can get a new rig, modify a rig, or hell use your friends computer and you have access to all of your games. Not to mention that in the EU Steam is going to have to allow the sale of used games in the near future and with some luck that can spread elsewhere.

For consoles we don't know how it is being bound but it sounds like it might be bound to the console. The great part of consoles was being able to have a game night with your buds and bringing a game over for everyone to play. Hell my friends and I back in high school used to swap games on friday then swap back on monday. Most of the time this ended up with us buying the games we borrowed because they were awesome. By binding games to a system and requiring an always-on connection they are killing the console. It is a slightly portable system for entertainment that is highly affordable.

How many people have brought their consoles on vacations and gamed in their hotel room before passing out?

BOTH of these requirements are idiotic and nothing but a money grab. If you support it you are just encouraging this behavior and are part of the problem.
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You are mistaken, just tested/

You are mistaken I just tested it with the newest client. It should just prompt you to either go online or start in offline mode when steam starts up.

Steam even has a how-to for Steam staying in Off line mode. I have a laptop at home that has been in offline more for about a year I think. The only thing special you need to do is save your Steam log in credentials on the machine.

This is still is different than an Xbox, because if you could connect the Xbox up once to validate/download the game you could probably just leave it connected to the Internet. Unless you were traveling around with it...(which brings up the issue that I know people who like to take their Xbox/Ps3 in their RV). Unless it was a dial up option...then it might be useful. Stores could offer the service of bringing in the Xbox and validating the game when you purchase the game as well.
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For everyone comparing this to Steam, I will explain how this is different because you guys obviously are missing it.

Steam games are bound to an ACCOUNT not to hardware. You can get a new rig, modify a rig, or hell use your friends computer and you have access to all of your games. Not to mention that in the EU Steam is going to have to allow the sale of used games in the near future and with some luck that can spread elsewhere.

For consoles we don't know how it is being bound but it sounds like it might be bound to the console. The great part of consoles was being able to have a game night with your buds and bringing a game over for everyone to play. Hell my friends and I back in high school used to swap games on friday then swap back on monday. Most of the time this ended up with us buying the games we borrowed because they were awesome. By binding games to a system and requiring an always-on connection they are killing the console. It is a slightly portable system for entertainment that is highly affordable.

How many people have brought their consoles on vacations and gamed in their hotel room before passing out?

BOTH of these requirements are idiotic and nothing but a money grab. If you support it you are just encouraging this behavior and are part of the problem.

I am thinking this Xbox thing is going to bind the game to the Xbox live account...the article doesn't specifically say, but it does mention that Xbox live will become a more integral part of the Xbox system and require online access...and that some how this will kill off second hand game purchases.
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BOTH of these requirements are idiotic and nothing but a money grab. If you support it you are just encouraging this behavior and are part of the problem.

I wouldn't go as far as saying I support it. But I certainly will not call it "idiotic" until we know for sure what is actually going to happen because that is childish.

Is it a cash grab? Yeah. But if you really and truly are a gamer, watching Gamestop raking in millions in profit should bug you. That money should be going to developers to make bigger and better games.

MS and Sony gave us consoles at launch that lost them money hoping game sales would bring them back to profit. They didn't sell consoles at a loss to help Gamespot rake in profit.

If they go with the speculated no used games way, they should lower prices of new releases as they will sell more copies overall. If they do this then they have my support. If they kill used games and still charge the same for new games, no way will they have my support.

My biggest fear is that if we don't accept this system, the next thing will be the free to play games where you buy items in game. Goodbye quality at that point.
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boycotting this console just like the last
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boycotting this console just like the last

You're boycotting such a silly little electronic device? rolleyes.gif

Vote with your wallet, not your voice; don't buy it.
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If they go with the speculated no used games way, they should lower prices of new releases as they will sell more copies overall. If they do this then they have my support. If they kill used games and still charge the same for new games, no way will they have my support.

My biggest fear is that if we don't accept this system, the next thing will be the free to play games where you buy items in game. Goodbye quality at that point.

Once a price is set it is really hard to see it back down much unless there are regulating organizations that are on the lookout for artificial price gouging and such...and I don't think there are any groups like that in software. You don't even have supply and demand rules since there is a limitless supply unless they refuse to make more program disks or offer downloads. If enough people see this for the complete crap that it is demand could fall enough to lower prices though, but highly doubt that would ever happen.

The best that could happen is that prices won't go up.

I am all for killing used game sales of newer games...some one walking in to game stop and saving a few dollars when they could be just buying a new disk has got to be a very measurable cut into the publisher's revenue, but old game selling for $20 or less on ebay or in a bin at Game Stop are just going to be impulse buys that probably would not have happened if the games weren't cheap.

And yeah...I don't want to see mircotrasactions in single player games. However, that has already begun happening. I don't particularly like them in multiplayer games either. For some reason I see my self reading more books in the future than gaming.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying I support it. But I certainly will not call it "idiotic" until we know for sure what is actually going to happen because that is childish.

Is it a cash grab? Yeah. But if you really and truly are a gamer, watching Gamestop raking in millions in profit should bug you. That money should be going to developers to make bigger and better games.

MS and Sony gave us consoles at launch that lost them money hoping game sales would bring them back to profit. They didn't sell consoles at a loss to help Gamespot rake in profit.

If they go with the speculated no used games way, they should lower prices of new releases as they will sell more copies overall. If they do this then they have my support. If they kill used games and still charge the same for new games, no way will they have my support.

My biggest fear is that if we don't accept this system, the next thing will be the free to play games where you buy items in game. Goodbye quality at that point.

Unfortunately with the trend of companies these days I highly doubt the price of new games will go down at all. Secondly, I cannot support anything that requires always-on internet. I took it for granted that my internet back in the states was always working and very fast (4 days total of down time in over 7 years lol) but the only games I had that used this were Steam titles but even that offered an offline mode so it didn't bother me in the off chance my internet didn't work. Now that I am in the military and internet is not always reliable, available, or fast I will be voting with my wallet by not purchasing ANYTHING that requires a constant internet connection. SC2 I barely ever play, but im 50/50 on even buying that as much as I love the series. Will be investing in a modded 360 or good laptop for deployment entertainment.
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Well Microsoft had already convinced me to cancel my XBL subscription after they rewarded my 10 years of payment with a stupid freaking avatar helmet.

So for me this nothing more than the final nail in the coffin I've built to bury my Xbox
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boycotting this console just like the last
You're boycotting such a silly little electronic device? rolleyes.gif

Vote with your wallet, not your voice; don't buy it.

Isn't that what a boycott is? thinking.gif
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Says who, where is your proof of that?

How do you know this wont be a step towards a more steam like setup where all of the games you purchase this gen are linked to your Gamertag, and next gen they are still available...

This. Sony has been headed this way already with the release of classics. PSP games play fine on the Vita, Sony has just been taking their time making them available, since I believe they want to test each one out, ensuring it runs before people buy them for the Vita then cry about them not working.

It simply wasn't until this generation that consoles had good network and store structure to support these kinds of things. The transition will be a different one. I have a good feeling that any content purchased online will be just fine on the next generation. Discs though, I'm not as sure about.
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I'm going to assume you don't support this course of action. But it's not true that the publisher (not developer) doesn't get any money from the sale of used games. Many games (if it's worth while) will have at least 10$ - 20$ of DLC, in some cases upwards of one hundred dollars like Mass Effect or Street Fighter X Tekken. The DLC alone will make up for the sale of the game, and because it's DLC it's exclusive content and already gives the publisher (that's an important note, publisher) money on a sale they wouldn't have gotten in the first place. This would be a perfect example of increasing profit margins to the detrimant of their customer base.

Late reply but I'm more indifferent as I know it's more of an incentive for developers to put out better quality games. I just don't like the idea of no used games, especially games without multiplayer and without DLC. For example, if I beat an RPG and not into collecting games I've beaten 3 times, why not let someone else enjoy it or borrow it even.
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Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Rumors and Unconfirmed Articles › [EDGE] The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray discs and new Kinect