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Am I the only one that notices they will not be able to charge for the online part of it if they actually go through with it? The only way around it is if xbox live and "always on" are seperate. There are a lot of people out there without internet or xbox live that wouldnt be able to register their games essentially turing their console into a brick in a box.
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First Sony, now Microsoft; seriously, when is punishing your paying fans going to stop?

When they wise up and stop paying.
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I seriously think AAA gaming needs a crash.

Yeah, another 1984 is overdue.
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Generally I'm against pirates, but no 2nd hand games??????? And does this mean if you lose your i.c. you can't play at all? And what if its in the middle of a games, or you change address and don't have internet right away

Yes, yes, and you're out of luck.
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bullocks to them, they will do this on PC soon too no doubt

To a large degree they already have.

Fortunately PC isn't a closed platform, so there will always be some amount of games outside of these sorts of business models.
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What makes console mfg's so special that they can get away with doing this, while other mfgs can't.

Closed platform makes it easy to control.
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somehow i knew the 360 would be the last console i would ever buy.

The last console I bought was an Atari Jaguar.
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I'm calling BS. EDGE says that their "source" confirms the specs of the system and the Blu Ray disc usage. It says NOTHING about the always on requirement. That is not cited. There is no source for that particular claim.

Garbage article is garbage.
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People actually think this will harm sales if this is true?

Are you kidding me?

Look at the Xbox Live most played list, almost ALL of the top 20 games of 2012 had a popular multiplayer scene. Then factor in the fact that CoD games sell about 10m+ copies on Xbox alone and almost all of those users buy the game to play online.........yea I can't see this hurting sales at all. The impact will be negligible if any at all.

Xbox Live is an incredibly strong service and platform and the Xbox has proven to be the most popular current-gen console for online gaming and nothing will change heading into the next generation of consoles

Agreed, but I do see the point a lot of people are making. Basic Xbox Live will have to become a free service if this is true. Otherwise, it will actually hurt next-gen console sales. Forcing a recurring service on a consumer for a stand-alone device that is used for entertainment only will make consumers angry. The basic level of service will have to be free in order for this to work.
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The outrage this will cause and other jobs lost will counter the "monetary" benefits for them.

I doubt it, in many countries there's no used market for games. Beside that it seems consumers are extremely short-sighted. The intial outcry when downloadable content started to show up is over and people buy $60 maps packs and day-one/on-disk DLC. PC gamers initially complained about DRM, yet most of them use either Steam, Origin, Uplay or all of them today. It seems people will put up with anything over time.
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This probably has something to do with the fact that they dont' get a penny from Gamestop and similar places for used games, in retaliation you could say. And the always online was bound to happen.
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No, if my friend doens't have Halo 5, but I do I can't play it at his house... If this is true, I blame the dumb as brick slobbering masses that buy every Madden, and Call of Duty piece of filth that graces our televisions. Maybe it's time to find a new pastime. Maybe we all should.
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This probably has something to do with the fact that they dont' get a penny from Gamestop and similar places for used games, in retaliation you could say. And the always online was bound to happen.

I'm going to assume you don't support this course of action. But it's not true that the publisher (not developer) doesn't get any money from the sale of used games. Many games (if it's worth while) will have at least 10$ - 20$ of DLC, in some cases upwards of one hundred dollars like Mass Effect or Street Fighter X Tekken. The DLC alone will make up for the sale of the game, and because it's DLC it's exclusive content and already gives the publisher (that's an important note, publisher) money on a sale they wouldn't have gotten in the first place. This would be a perfect example of increasing profit margins to the detrimant of their customer base.
Edited by redfroth - 2/6/13 at 9:06am
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Next Xbox: Won't buy one, no thanks

Why they feel entitled to make money off of used purchases is just ridiculous. I mean, this could be done with every product in existence - You buy a TV, but can't ever sell it. You buy a car, but can't ever sell it. You buy a sandwich, but can't ever sell it. But somehow, stuff like this is always OK in the tech industry. Honestly Microsoft, I think you just forced me to look into running Linux on my main box again...I'm getting sick of supporting companies that operate in ways I don't approve with my hard earned cash. So I hope any profit Microsoft hoped to gain with this is lost by people not buying into the new Xbox and potentially abandoning MS in other areas as well. And once I make the switch to Linux, I will be using it on all the builds I do for myself, as well as others. So right there, from just one customer, MS has already potentially lost at about 10+ Windows purchases a year. Also, I have owned Xbox, and still have a 360, but will most definitely not be spending a dime on anything to do with the new one.
Edited by Aaron_Henderson - 2/6/13 at 9:08am
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wheee.gif Goes Ballmer wheee.gif
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And the trolls go: thumbsupsmiley.png "Now we gonna get them fancy triple A's"
 
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This also isn't really a shock because for some unknown reason to me, the industry seems obsessed with shifting to a cloud-based ecosystem, always online is the first step to getting there.

You will see throughout this generation of consoles that more and more features will be put "on the cloud" as the marketing wizards like to say. Its sad to see because cloud-based gaming will be the death of gaming imo. Just seems like a totally illogical, ridiculous concept, but for some reason the industry is obsessed with the idea (probably to have more control and have easier access to targeted advertisements and secondary revenue streams).

But in essence, we can all start saying hello to cloud-gaming because its coming, and if this is true, this is the first stepping stone
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