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Yes, it's an AMD APU.

AMD's A10-5800k is only $130 for a quad core CPU with midrange graphics built right in. Add some other budget components and you can probably pull off a $400ish build around it. thumb.gif

$130 for a CPU with integrated graphics for gaming? im a little iffy on that. I mean, (and many might disagree) can you really regard a system as a gaming computer when it doesn't have a dedicated GPU?

Im not too big on AMD and like to know more about Intel stuff, but for $130, how good can the CPU and the GPU in that thing be?
Looking it up now, it's got a 7660. If the 7750 is around $100, and can't produce the best of framerates unless you like 720p and medium settings, which in most cases will get you 45-60fps and no more, then there's not too much to expect from it imo.
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3570k is not a mid-range part. A gtx 660 is not a midrange part. Those are upper

Mid range parts would be something like a FX4300 or i3 3220 paired with a HD7850 or 650ti. So they aren't far off. It is a midrange system.

As to the jaguar cpu. Consoles are coded to metal, if ever there was a platform that actually took full advantage of multiple cores it is the console. Developers use just about every ounce of power that they have available. So even though there are 8 "weaker" cores they are going to be fully used. Could you imagine if an 8350's full 8 cores were utilized properly? Intel would be very unhappy.

I might have gotten carried away there tongue.gif, but i remember when the 660 was coming out people were regarding it as "the new midrange beast"?
Anyway, i agree with you fully, we get the scraps from the single core consoles to play on quad core gaming rigs these days, with a lot of games (such as DMC, Dead Space 3) sill using DX9, at the highest settings they're still nothing to be blown away by.
Games that get the extra effort for PC and you can tell as soon as you play them, like Crysis 2/3, Blackops II, Mafia II, Max Payne3, Sleeping Dogs, happen to look and perform fantastically biggrin.gif
   
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Someone (Sony or AMD? - not sure) is claiming 2TFLOPS on the GPU alone. That seems...optimistic for a APU of the Bobcat linage.
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$130 for a CPU with integrated graphics for gaming? im a little iffy on that. I mean, (and many might disagree) can you really regard a system as a gaming computer when it doesn't have a dedicated GPU?

Im not too big on AMD and like to know more about Intel stuff, but for $130, how good can the CPU and the GPU in that thing be?
Looking it up now, it's got a 7660. If the 7750 is around $100, and can't produce the best of framerates unless you like 720p and medium settings, which in most cases will get you 45-60fps and no more, then there's not too much to expect from it imo.
I might have gotten carried away there tongue.gif, but i remember when the 660 was coming out people were regarding it as "the new midrange beast"?
Anyway, i agree with you fully, we get the scraps from the single core consoles to play on quad core gaming rigs these days, with a lot of games (such as DMC, Dead Space 3) sill using DX9, at the highest settings they're still nothing to be blown away by.
Games that get the extra effort for PC and you can tell as soon as you play them, like Crysis 2/3, Blackops II, Mafia II, Max Payne3, Sleeping Dogs, happen to look and perform fantastically biggrin.gif

There's plenty to expect from it. Probably the best looking games you will have seen, you just don't seem to grasp that similar hardware in a console will blow away the same hardware in a PC since the games are coded specifically for it, rather than having DirectX in between.
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There's plenty to expect from it. Probably the best looking games you will have seen, you just don't seem to grasp that similar hardware in a console will blow away the same hardware in a PC since the games are coded specifically for it, rather than having DirectX in between.

Definitely, and its been like that for ages.
I was referring to the A10-5800k, as to buy it and not buy a GPU, not what they're using in the PS4
   
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Someone (Sony or AMD? - not sure) is claiming 2TFLOPS on the GPU alone. That seems...optimistic for a APU of the Bobcat linage.

7970m I believe.
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There's plenty to expect from it. Probably the best looking games you will have seen, you just don't seem to grasp that similar hardware in a console will blow away the same hardware in a PC since the games are coded specifically for it, rather than having DirectX in between.
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Definitely, and its been like that for ages.
I was referring to the A10-5800k, as to buy it and not buy a GPU, not what they're using in the PS4

I'm not sure about this whole "blowing away" your talking about I mean I've seen videos on youtube of people playing BF3 on low-end PC's at or just above what you see in current consoles.

There is a benefit to Sony using AMD hardware. It should mean anyone with a gaming PC with an AMD GPU inside, should be able to play any multiplatform game at a much higher framerate than its console counterpart, with increased eye candy, due to the PC AMD hardware being more powerful than the console's GPU but with all the optmization boosts in performance. AMD Gaming evolved
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I'm not sure about this whole "blowing away" your talking about I mean I've seen videos on youtube of people playing BF3 on low-end PC's at or just above what you see in current consoles.

There is a benefit to Sony using AMD hardware. It should mean anyone with a gaming PC with an AMD GPU inside, should be able to play any multiplatform game at a much higher framerate than its console counterpart, with increased eye candy, due to the PC AMD hardware being more powerful than the console's GPU but with all the optmization boosts in performance. AMD Gaming evolved

And when developing for the PC you're still going to have to make your game work for a very broad spectrum of hardware, and use DirectX. It's not going to be an apples to apples comparison. With identical hardware, the console wins. Every time.
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