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Originally Posted by Stoffie View Post

the i5 can only do 4.5ghz before you have to void your warranty and delid them, my 8350 can hit 5.3ghz without any modifications.... so based on that an i5 clocked to the max will get pounded by a 8350 clocked to the max FACT!

Now c'mon show your intelligence and post a vr-zone.com benchmark because that will have me rolling on the floor... thumb.gif

Both will typically require water cooling to reach the 5+GHz mark. Keyword is 'typically' because obviously there are exceptions... Most people are way too cautious (As they should be...) with volts and temperatures with the i5. Mine is pushed to 4.7GHz using a maximum load voltage of 1.4 V! And that is with the second best air cooler on the planet equipped with 3 x 140mm fans. It hits high 80s and low 90s during Prime95. It's been running at this voltage since early May of last year with zero problems. ZERO.

i5-3570K is negligibly faster than the FX-8320 / 8350 in gaming. Fighting over a few frames is for people who obsess over numbers but then again FX processors are cheaper... NUMBERS!

A few frames behind the i5 does not mean bottleneck.
Edited by Bruennis - 2/14/13 at 12:26pm
post #172 of 210
This is batman benchmarks the GPU at the begining of the test was between 50-60 and toward the end went up to 99%



This one is on crysis 2... look at the GPU usage more than 90% and look how many FPS. i had to do it this way since MSI afterburner wasnt showing any that in the game.



This one its on metro 2033... i could get anyother screenshoot since my nephew is playing it and he is stuck in this part lol


So as u can see this CPU can push just fine enough this GPUs.
post #173 of 210
Keep it clean in here guys.

Also; high GPU usage doesn't mean no bottleneck. The problem is that the monitoring methods aren't accurate and even then it isn't telling the whole story at all.

I actually own a 8320 that'll go fast if I want it to but I'm also very much willing to admit that it can't compete with intel setups when using multiple high end GPUs.
 
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post #174 of 210
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Originally Posted by Stoffie View Post

by 0.4 fps..... that is within margin of error..

You must not be looking at the same chart as me.....

The minimum frame rate, you know, the most important thing when it comes to gaming is much higher then 0.4fps
post #175 of 210
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Originally Posted by EliteReplay View Post

So as u can see this CPU can push just fine enough this GPUs.

I beg to differ, Metro 2033 is only showing 88% use, CPU limited.

That game should be pushing GPU's at pretty much a constant 99% as its also very GPU intensive as well as CPU intensive.
post #176 of 210
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Originally Posted by EliteReplay View Post

This is batman benchmarks the GPU at the begining of the test was between 50-60 and toward the end went up to 99%



This one is on crysis 2... look at the GPU usage more than 90% and look how many FPS. i had to do it this way since MSI afterburner wasnt showing any that in the game.



This one its on metro 2033... i could get anyother screenshoot since my nephew is playing it and he is stuck in this part lol


So as u can see this CPU can push just fine enough this GPUs.

anyone?
post #177 of 210
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You must not be looking at the same chart as me.....

The minimum frame rate, you know, the most important thing when it comes to gaming is much higher then 0.4fps

yeah.... the minimum frame rate is as the benchmark starts, basically as it is ramping up to 100fps from 0 it registers it's lowest point from there it never drops below 70, you won't even see that point in a game...
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post #178 of 210
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I beg to differ, Metro 2033 is only showing 88% use, CPU limited.

That game should be pushing GPU's at pretty much a constant 99% as its also very GPU intensive as well as CPU intensive.

Are you going to address the concerns that were raised about the graph you posted and the issues with the motherboards or are you just going to ignore them?

In my book that is trolling and I suggest you stop.

There are games where AMD FX does well and there are games where it doesn't. I don't see how this is news to anyone. Even when Athlon64 was kicking Intel's butt there were benchmarks where AMD would lose or tie. Things have *always* been like this.

Will it cause problems in unpatched Skyrim, Shogun 2 (Intel developed), and Blizzard games? Yes. Are there games where it does very, very well? Yes (like BF3).

I don't see how this is such a complex subject. Whenever you buy an AMD you have to accept that there is software that is (?artificially?) not going to run well on AMD hardware. Usually Nvidia and Intel logos plastered on the game is a good sign that it's going to run bad on AMD.

Considering all the rumors of AMD CPUs in PS4 and new Xbox and how they will have 6 to 8 weak cores, I don't see AMD FX's position as a gaming CPU getting worse. Right now, Intel is at an advantage because lots of crappy console ports are designed around having 3 main threads for logic as Xbox 360 has a 3 core CPU. When Xbox ships with 6 or 8 core CPU, games will be designed to have 8 threads to use all 8 cores. For a game dev to write games that don't use all cores would defeat the purpose of a console and the optimized software it runs.

We can throw benchmarks around for thousands of pages that show AMD FX can compete just fine and some where it performs abysmally. Benchmarketing is a flawed process and to make a generalization after looking at a benchmark that AMD FX is bad at gaming is wrong, because there are thousands of games. Looking at one out of thousands and coming to a conclusion from that one is a horribly small sample size and is, in my mind, irrelevant.
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Did you look at the Motherboard Models?

They are using 4+1 Phase Cheepo AM2+ Gigabyte Motherboards vs. High End Intel ones?!?!
(ASRock Fatility, Maximus Formula, etc)

There is not even a motherboard that fully supports an 8 Core FX CPU (Max 95W TDP) with 125W TDP.
The Phenom II X6 CPU's also require a Beta BIOS to run.
The Motherboard bias is enough to effect the quality of those results.
The testing methodology is perfect to make the Intel CPU's look as good as possible and the AMD ones look bad. In real life, the AMD processors are cheaper than their Intel counterparts and when used by gamers, are massively overclocked anyway. The fact that a 3930K can beat the crap out of an 1100T or a Bulldozer is nice, considering it's $570 at Newegg right now and the FX-8150 can be had for $180 (and so can the FX-8350, which is much superior, but that's another story). Intel should pay this site for their good work, assuming they don't already.

The real story to be had from this crap is that if you put an AMD processor on an equal motherboard, instead of low-end garbage, and overclock it, you could get close enough to that 3930K as to be irrelevant--at a third of the cost.
     
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Keep it clean in here guys.

Also; high GPU usage doesn't mean no bottleneck. The problem is that the monitoring methods aren't accurate and even then it isn't telling the whole story at all.

I actually own a 8320 that'll go fast if I want it to but I'm also very much willing to admit that it can't compete with intel setups when using multiple high end GPUs.

I think everyone can agree on that to a point.

At least within the same range right?
Ivy Bridge Pentium SLI 690's VS FX 8350 SLI 690's - will "Intel" win....

As for OP - You'll be happy with those 7970's in Crossfire even running a Stock 8320.
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