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I've got FX-8320 OC'ed + a single GTX670, and I'm happy. I thought I'd point out some things nobody else here ever seems to mention in the debate. And that has to do with your personal framerate tolerances and your plans on system longevity.

Yes I know I could have gone i5 3570k, and in most current games, it would have been faster. But honestly I don't care. Here's why:

- I could care less about super-high framerates. I personally have never been able to tell the difference once you get above 45 fps or so. And while I can easily tell the difference between, say, 25fps and 45fps, I'm perfectly happy as long as my dips never go below 25fps or so. It's not that I can't tell the difference between 30fps and 45fps but I honestly don't CARE about that difference.

- Some games (BF3 being a prime example) run faster on FX-8350 than i5 3570k right now. With both the PS4 and the future Xbox sporting 8 cores, it's a pretty safe bet that FX-8350 will be better for games coming out in the future. I plan to stay on my current CPU for 3-4 years, so I see the FX as a better long-term investment. If you're the sort who replaces your platform every year or two anyway, then that won't matter to you. But it matters to me.

- Finally, I actually do have some occasional uses (3D modeling, transcoding, statistical simulation) where the FX is definitely faster than the competition.

My advice to others goes like this (for gaming use):

Paired with any single high-end GPU:
If anything much below 60 FPS bugs you in current games AND you plan to upgrade again anyway in 2 years or less -> i5-3570k / i7-3770k

If anything much below 60 FPS bugs you in games BUT you don't want to have to upgrade again for 3-5 years -> i7-3930k (or i7-3820 as a placeholder and drop in 6-8 core Ivybridge-E later)

If 30 FPS is perfectly fine with you AND you plan to upgrade again anyway in 2-3 years -> FX-6300

If 30 FPS is perfectly fine with you, BUT you don't want to have to upgrade again for 3-5 years, AND Socket 2011 is way too much money for you (I'm in this category) -> FX-8350 / 8320

With 2-3 high-end GPUs:
If you "might" get a second GPU later on, assume that you, won't and see above.

If you definitely are getting 2 high-end GPUs now or in the near future.... You're spending a minimum of $600 on GPUs so... why mess around with cheap CPUs that might hold that kind of investment back?

The minimum I'd recommend for two high-end cards would be i5-3570K, and that's only if you don't have the budget for anything better. Plan on replacing it in a couple of years.

Personally, if I had the money for a setup with two high-end GPUs and I had to buy right now, I'd go for i7-3820 on Socket 2011, and I'd plan on replacing both of the GPUs with a pair of updated ones and an Ivybridge-E 6 or 8 core in ~3-4 years.


I'm not a fanboy of either side. And between FX-8350 and i5-3570K, I don't think there's a right or wrong answer. It comes down to your needs, your tolerances, your uses, and your preferences. Okay... I'm finished rambling.
Edited by synge - 2/11/13 at 11:39am
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I currently have an amd 8350 overclocked to 4.5ghz also i have two 7950's crossfire and i havent had any sort of problem. Performance has been great, getting constant 130 to 150 fps in bf3. Its buttery smooth. CS GO, crysis 3 runs fine without any issues
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Don't do xfire with amd cpu. 1 card fine, 2 is a no no. Speaking from personal experience.

Really? I have SLI GTX 660 wich is about on par with GTX 580 and I have no bottleneck on this lower end 6300.

Im sure in some games you might have a problem, but even a 3570K will bottleneck slightly. SO you'll be fine.
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I believe that the SB950 (Southbridge) of the 990FX-970 chipset motherboards can't handle two or more GPUs very well, making a bottleneck.

The south bridge doesn't handle the GPU's and the northbridge chip handles the cards just fine, blaming the chipset was just one of those excuses that crept up at the time Bulldozer released and people wanted something to blame the bad performance on.

OP : You will have a bottleneck but it'll range from small to large depending on what games you play.
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I have the highest score in the reddit.com /r/overclocking data sheet in Firestrike performance single GPU, beating out even a 4.5ghz 3930k and a slew of 4ghz range IBs and SBs. So no, I don't think it's a problem if you overclock your chip properly.

Get your RAM timings as tight as you can, bump the CPUNB, bump HTT, raise the clock, and win teh game. Every damn time I buy an AMD CPU I look at reviews and feel like I made a mistake. Then I run my own benchmarks and realize my own results contradict everything else in the world. I don't know if it's because I'm good at overclocking or if everyone else who writes reviews blows or if it's a combination of that, but I like it.

AMD FX is severely under-rated for gaming and if you're getting bottlenecking you're not running your chip right.
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Really? I have SLI GTX 660 wich is about on par with GTX 580 and I have no bottleneck on this lower end 6300.

Your FX-6300 + GTX660 sounds like a very nice value setup! And it puts you in a good position to upgrade your GPU along with a Steamroller 8-core later on down the line. That's smart budgeting there thumb.gif
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thanx guys lol, didnt mean to start a war..... I guess I will be picking up another 7970!
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Get your RAM timings as tight as you can, bump the CPUNB, bump HTT, raise the clock, and win teh game. Every damn time I buy an AMD CPU I look at reviews and feel like I made a mistake. Then I run my own benchmarks and realize my own results contradict everything else in the world. I don't know if it's because I'm good at overclocking or if everyone else who writes reviews blows or if it's a combination of that, but I like it.

AMD FX has a lot less RAM bandwidth than i5 / i7, but it seems to do fine when running fast memory. I suspect that many of the poor gaming benchmarks for Vishera are due to running slow RAM and loose timings. Easily enough fixed if you're running the right RAM and the right OCs, as you say.
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thanx guys lol, didnt mean to start a war..... I guess I will be picking up another 7970!

No war here, just ruminating. While FX-83xx wouldn't be my first choice for a high end CF or SLI setup if I were starting from scratch, I think you'll be fine... especially with the OC and fast RAM you have. Enjoy!
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I have an FX 8320, I get the same performance from 680 SLI as I did from the i7 3930k that came before it. I play at 2560x1600 so the GPU is almost always the limitation, I'm perfectly happy with my $149 chip and board.
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