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WHY are people comparing the Surface TABLET to a MacBook- netbook(?). Please don't throw fanboy specs and touting of the full OS, it's an entire form factor difference and personal integration. More importantly, this is nothing more than a PR move meant to flame some incentive as to replace future or current MBA 11" purchases.

MS:
/these aren't the droids you're looking for.

Comparison is valid... they are both ultraportables running a full OS.
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They’re both ultraportable devices that run full-strength operating systems. Both use similar CPUs, offer similar amounts of RAM, and advertise 128 GB of storage. The Surface Pro has touch capabilities and can be used as a tablet, but at its heart it is a full-strength PC designed for extreme mobility.
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WHY are people comparing the Surface TABLET to a MacBook- netbook(?). Please don't throw fanboy specs and touting of the full OS, it's an entire form factor difference and personal integration. More importantly, this is nothing more than a PR move meant to flame some incentive as to replace future or current MBA 11" purchases.


MBA 11
11.8"X7.56"X0.68" weighs 2.38lbs 128 GB models MSRP $1099

Surface Pro
10.81"X6.81"X0.53" weights 2 lbs, 128 GB model MSRP $999+ Type cover for $129
rolleyes.gif

Both uses i5 CPUs, have the same amount of Ram (4GB ), add a type cover to Surface Pro and there is very little form factor or Price difference between Surface Pro and MBA11. wink.gif
Edited by sherlock - 2/8/13 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by coachmark2 View Post

Yes. My brother has a MacBook pro and he wonders why when I send him a 38 megabyte file, it takes up 41 or 42 megs of his hard drive... rolleyes.gif Apple is being extremely dishonest about the space in that way.

Yes, I know it's just a different way of reporting it, but it is still cooking the books in my opinion.

Trouble is, the same thing happens in the factory when producing storage devices.

For example when manufacturing storage devices 1GB = 1000MB. Ubuntu also considers 1GB = 1000MB. So my 32GB memory stick appears as 32GB in Ubuntu but in Windows, it considers 1024MB = 1GB. So my memory stick appears as like, 29.0GB.

However, the same would apply to file sizes. So a 1GB file in Ubuntu would appear as ~ 0.99GB file in Windows. So it's a bit far to say it's completely dishonest, especially since both are advertised as 128GB.

I think even the average user would know that they still have 128GB drive, in both devices because that's what they knowingly bought. This is without applying the space that the boot manager, recovery, etc takes up.
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Yes, but the Surface Pro is more geared towards trying to be a tablet first; and that's how people view it. The general populace aren't even trying to compare it to a MBA because people still view the MBA as a laptop with a full-fledged OS. Even though the Surface Pro does this too, this is not the market they reached for. Now if an iPad with 128GB did this same thing, people would be outraged, because then they would see similar results and complaints. It's MS' own fault.
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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

MBA 11
11.8"X7.56"X0.68" weighs 2.38lbs 128 GB models MSRP $1099

Surface Pro
10.81"X6.81"X0.53" weights 2 lbs, 128 GB model MSRP $999+ Type cover for $129
rolleyes.gif

Both uses i5 CPUs, have the same amount of Ram (4GB ), add a type cover to Surface Pro and there is very little form factor or Price difference between Surface Pro and MBA11. wink.gif

But what you fail to realize is that is the weight without the keyboard. Even though the keyboard is lighter, it's still not even a great keyboard like you can expect from any MacBook. The Surface Pro actually has a 10.6" screen as well. So for screen to weight ratio, you're still losing something. Lastly, when you pick your Surface Pro up by the keyboard area to put it down, let me know how that goes.

I personally like the Surface tablets, and am actually very interested to own one, but MS has done a terrible job of actually targeting their true market.
Edited by pez - 2/8/13 at 7:57am
 
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post #25 of 87
Neither. No one complains about the MBA and no one should be complaining about the Surface. For whatever reason, Apple's userbase has properly managed expectations, while Microsoft doesn't. The solution isn't to turn and point the finger as neither are being dishonest, and anyone who would jump to that conclusion is not thinking critically. Massive fail on ZDnet's part for taking part in torch and pitchfork journalism, and this mind numbing crap shouldn't be posted on OCN.

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2419


http://www.microsoft.com/Surface/en-US/support/surface-with-windows-RT/files-folders-and-online-storage/surface-disk-space-faq
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Paying a lot of money for a hard drive and getting 30 gigs less than advertised is one thing. That's false advertising.
But buying a computer, knowing there's software installed on the drive, is completely different.

Should we complain that our CPU's downclock??? of course not -_-
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post #27 of 87
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Originally Posted by Blindrage606 View Post

WHY are people comparing the Surface TABLET to a MacBook- netbook(?). Please don't throw fanboy specs and touting of the full OS, it's an entire form factor difference and personal integration. More importantly, this is nothing more than a PR move meant to flame some incentive as to replace future or current MBA 11" purchases.

MS:
/these aren't the droids you're looking for.

This has everything to do with the surface pro being a full PC, which obviously has far more capability than any ARM based iOS or Android device.

Hearing this argument makes me nauseous. I do believe that most consumers are technically clueless and judge something based on form factor alone while completely ignoring the capability of the device; The surface pro has a full core i5 3rd gen processor and is running a full 64 bit operating system. The ipad is a very underpowered ARM device running a limited and closed operating system that doesn't have near the capability of x86. Again. Not you personally, but is anyone really this stupid? Macbook air is the proper comparison. They are both full computers running a full operating system - they are not ARM devices running with gimped ARM chips and limited android / iOS toys.

Furthermore, this entire argument was started by a stupid apple fan crying wolf about the perceived lack of storage of the surface pro. Apple fired the shots. As it turns out, apple was wrong: the surface pro has more relative storage than the MBA. rolleyes.gif
Edited by xoleras - 2/8/13 at 8:28am
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MBA 11
11.8"X7.56"X0.68" weighs 2.38lbs 128 GB models MSRP $1099

Surface Pro
10.81"X6.81"X0.53" weights 2 lbs, 128 GB model MSRP $999+ Type cover for $129
rolleyes.gif

Both uses i5 CPUs, have the same amount of Ram (4GB ), add a type cover to Surface Pro and there is very little form factor or Price difference between Surface Pro and MBA11. wink.gif
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Comparison is valid... they are both ultraportables running a full OS.

Again, a spec sheet isn't a retort. At its core, one is a TABLET while another is an evolved NETBOOK.

Lets grasp this concept people.
 
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Again, a spec sheet isn't a retort. At its core, one is a TABLET while another is an evolved NETBOOK.

Lets grasp this concept people.

The form factor means nothing , it is the capability of the machine which includes full x86 compatibility with a 3rd gen core i5.

And did you really call the macbook air a netbook.
Edited by xoleras - 2/8/13 at 8:31am
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If they want to market the surface accordingly, they need commercials that show it running angry birds/riptide 3D/netflix/cooking apps........then show the tablet in an office running Excel sheets, Sharepoint, AutoDesk, even BitTorrent..........THEN show somebody using a mouse/keyboard/external hard drive with the Surface WHILE using it in extended mode, driving both a 1080p screen and a 1600p screen......

other tablets will look like weenies
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