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Well I would say I'm pretty confident I can touch anything that is 70-80C for a lot longer than 0.2 seconds like the MOSFETs are lol.

I do have 2x 40mm fans to put on them but I got no clue what to use to actually hold them down on the heatsinks, double sided tape didn't last too long but the fans helped tons with the temperatures, I could actually keep my finger on the heatsinks while running Prime!

I had 40mm fans on mine. Actually a long screw will nicely work itself right into the groove of the heatsink and hold quite nicely. I has it like that for About a month. I wouldn't kick your case while its like that but if you don't do anything crazy I found it to hold quite nicely just screwing into the grooves of the heatsink. And they dropped the temp a huge amount.
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,Its not just performance, intel chips are just designed way better than amd. Amd is basically a generation behind in technology, 32nm vs 22. When it comes down to features, i/o, memory controller, pcie interface, and dear god the power consumption, intel is so much better. Intel runs much, much cooler too, fx is basically a downgrade from phenom.

3570k/i5 is very powerful for video editing and 3d work, people har those words and automatically say amd or i7, but the i5, let alone even the i3 or pentium, is very strong at such tasks too. Most cpus are like celeron, pentium, athlon, your talking about power that is magnitudes above general.processors. No one complains that their i5 isn't enough for video editing unless they are professionals who really know what they are doing.

If you are on a budget, you don't go for the f ... you get a phenom ii x4, its half the cost and same performance for gaming and most tasks. It has to be overclocked to be a better value than the i3 or pentium g2120 though, which are also great chips at a great price.

As you can see in my sig rigs, you can make a decent computer for pretty cheap. If you can't afford a $500 i5 build, then the only other choice is phenom x4. The fx chips areay too much worse than the i5 or i7 to justify their price, they are way too expensive.

Z77 extreme 4 is an okay board. It does a good job, anyone who's owned one will say they are satisfied. The problem with it is that for the price, you can get significantly higher quality boards. The phenom x6 is a great cpu, but when its priced the same as an i5, it becomes a crap cpu. It'll do its job, its just you can find similar quality/performance in much cheaper stuff, or much higher quality in similar price range. Most people don't buy more than one mobo, cpu, etc, so they have no frame of reference. They just recommend it because it works for them, but it really just is terrible.

Extreme4 is not a budget board, its midrange. And the quality is more like low end (pci lanes, sound quality, and most importantly its vrms are terrible and will limit higher range overclocks). The extreme6 is an amazing board but it should be at its price, its not particularly special (just great, not awesome). The extreme4 p67/z68s are better than the z77.
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post #23 of 33
Dbl post.

You got a guy in here telling you the extreme4 is bad that he's used and you berate him lol. If something is too hot to tohch, that means its easily way over 90*c, which is where you get pcb browningnd motherboard itself gets damaged, even if the mosfets are not on fire (and the pcb on the extreme4 is notorious for being shoddy, thin, and low quality). Also, its not just about a max temp limit (which is around 100-125 for those d-pak mosfets by the way), its about the fact that:

1. Power draw is significantly higher the hotter a component is, and id shudder to think of the power draw on mosfets over 40*c, much less 90*c+.
2. Performance and efficiency degradation at higher temps, as mosfets and chokes get hot, they have to supply more power for the same performance, you'll need to increase vcore more to compensate, and your true voltage output to the cpu will have to be much higher.
3. Mosfets degrade, and at 90*c, they are definitely going to degrade.
5. They get loud - you start to have choke whine when mosfets get around 90*c.

Vrms are the motherboard, and th extreme4 has some really bad vrms. For $60, sure, its a great motherboard. But the ud3h and ud5h can be found for the same price and literally have twice or more the quality, ie power rating on the mosfets. The asus LK is similiarly priced and is an okay board, and the biostar t77xe4 is cheaper and better quality. If you want a cheap, full featured board, there's the biostar boards which don't gimp their boards and lock the features, the pro3 is much cheaper and similar quality, and then gigabyte has the d3h for cheap.

To the OP - get the k edition, always. In 2 years you can overclock, and even on stock cooling you can raise the cpu 100, 200mhz and bam you get your money back. Are you close to a microcenter? If you are, that changes everything, as they have deals like, I got a ud5h for $79, I got an msi g41 for $19, I got my 3570k for $169 and my i7 3770k for $209.

The best board to get is the ud3h/ud5h. Just watch for sales at microcenter if your witih a few hours of one. If you don't, the biostar line-up is great, the msi g41 is a good budget board for super cheap (can't go above about 1.3v depending on your chips stock vid, but better than the other msi boards because its the only mis board with offset voltage), and the asrock pro3 is okay for a cheap board, the d3h is better though.

With pc components its all about price. The mugen is generally overpriced. You just need to find a cooler on sale. Low end cooler like the hyper 212 is good for $20 or under, midrange coolers with 5-6 heatpipes or closed loop water cooling for $20-45 depending on how good it is, and $45-60 for high end coolers is a good price. The nh-d14 is $60 once a year but some high end cooler is under $50 somewhere all the time.
Edited by Belial - 2/12/13 at 5:54pm
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If you are on a budget, you don't go for the f ... you get a phenom ii x4, its half the cost and same performance for gaming and most tasks. It has to be overclocked to be a better value than the i3 or pentium g2120 though, which are also great chips at a great price.

Respectfully disagree buddy. I used the FX-8350 @ 4.8GHz partnered with a Lightning 7970 and it gamed very similar (Wish I had the numbers to prove it) to my setup granted my 7950 is clocked 50MHz higher on the core and 75MHz higher on the memory. The i5-3570K is still the better gaming CPU but it's not significantly faster than Piledriver like some people and reviewers are suggesting.
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I had 40mm fans on mine. Actually a long screw will nicely work itself right into the groove of the heatsink and hold quite nicely. I has it like that for About a month. I wouldn't kick your case while its like that but if you don't do anything crazy I found it to hold quite nicely just screwing into the grooves of the heatsink. And they dropped the temp a huge amount.

Thanks for the tip, should have a long screw or two laying around smile.gif
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Thanks again chronicfx, fits in pretty damn good with the screws and seems pretty tight aswell, won't be falling apart even if I move the case.

Just need to get a few shorter screws now tongue.gif

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Thanks again chronicfx, fits in pretty damn good with the screws and seems pretty tight aswell, won't be falling apart even if I move the case.

Just need to get a few shorter screws now tongue.gif


Glad to hear it! Looks nice too smile.gif you may want to make a thread to post the pic for that simple mod. Could be a saving grace for all overclocking extreme4 owners. Might get a couple reps out of it lol.
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Glad to hear it! Looks nice too smile.gif you may want to make a thread to post the pic for that simple mod. Could be a saving grace for all overclocking extreme4 owners. Might get a couple reps out of it lol.

Might just do after I get some correct size screws so I can provide info on that aswell ^^
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Yes the mofets aren't bad, but it hasn't limited your overclock has it? The Extreme6 is much better built but its a more expensive board. The Extreme4 is a great budget board.

But there are a lot better boards out there in the E4 price range. The E6 on the other hand is a great board just because it doesn't have skimpy MOSFETs.

The MOSFETs sort of do limit my overclocking, they cause insane instability after few hours of Prime if I wanted to apply for that Sandy Stable Club frown.gif

I don't know what this guy is talking about but the Extreme 4 is a perfectly fine motherboard. Lots of people talk down on Asrock boards because they cost less and want to justify why a similar board from another company would cost more.

I took my 2500k and gave it to a friend I used a Pro 3 in the build and a custom water loop based of a large 240 rad and a corsair pump/block. I right away got the thing to 4.4GHz no problem and that was at a lower voltage than I was able to get it on my $200 Asus board.

I ran the computer non stop on prime95 for 24+HRs with a house fan blowing at the motherboard just in case and then later IBT w/50 runs.

That is with a Pro 3 You can see the build at that link.

I would have grabbed a Extreme 4 but Micro Center was out of stock. Also I learned with my Sabertooth 990FX and 960T 4GHz x6 @1.392v that if the heat sinks get extremely hot that cooling them would significantly drop the temp on the cpu. So I tried this test on a z68 board (almost the same as z77) and cooling didn't lower the temps 1 degree. Why because even a highly overclocked i5 isn't going to require nearly as much power as an AMD chip and that means over building the power delivery the same way they over build it for AM3 is just not necessary to get a high OC. I OC'd a 3.2GHz x2 to 4GHz x4 and the poorly built MSI board I had literally caught on fire. That is not going to happen with a 3rd generation i5!
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I don't know what this guy is talking about but the Extreme 4 is a perfectly fine motherboard. Lots of people talk down on Asrock boards because they cost less and want to justify why a similar board from another company would cost more.

I took my 2500k and gave it to a friend I used a Pro 3 in the build and a custom water loop based of a large 240 rad and a corsair pump/block. I right away got the thing to 4.4GHz no problem and that was at a lower voltage than I was able to get it on my $200 Asus board.

I ran the computer non stop on prime95 for 24+HRs with a house fan blowing at the motherboard just in case and then later IBT w/50 runs.

That is with a Pro 3 You can see the build at that link.

I would have grabbed a Extreme 4 but Micro Center was out of stock. Also I learned with my Sabertooth 990FX and 960T 4GHz x6 @1.392v that if the heat sinks get extremely hot that cooling them would significantly drop the temp on the cpu. So I tried this test on a z68 board (almost the same as z77) and cooling didn't lower the temps 1 degree. Why because even a highly overclocked i5 isn't going to require nearly as much power as an AMD chip and that means over building the power delivery the same way they over build it for AM3 is just not necessary to get a high OC. I OC'd a 3.2GHz x2 to 4GHz x4 and the poorly built MSI board I had literally caught on fire. That is not going to happen with a 3rd generation i5!

Yeah the extreme4 is fine at that clock. I believe the discussion was involving 5ghz plus overclocks on water which can leave the heat sinks starved for air in some cases. The heat can certainly error a prime run in these cases.
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