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4GB versions jack the price a bit. Of those two you suggested, the only one available to me is the EVGA FTW card + backplate bundle. At $719 ea this is a big hit to the budget and doesn't leave a lot of room for water within the $5k, even without further upgrading the motherboard.

I'm not sure if the LeadTek 680s are any good (or if there are waterblocks available for their board) but if they are an option, at $519 ea they could save me $600 across the 3 cards. Even the Gigabyte and ASUS offerings are much much cheaper than the EVGA FTW edition. I'm not sure what PCB each uses though and whether there exist full cover water blocks to suit.

I'm definitely hearing your advice re: Platinums; to be honest all I did was go into the quad channel RAM kit listings and choose a decent spec'd 32GB kit. I'm not sure if this was the smartest way to do it, and I will revisit this area.

The RIVE really limits colouring to black and red which is a minor issue for me in this build. It is a board with some documented problems, so is the MSI apparently. I'm really not sure what to do here. The Rampage costs a bit more than the MSI so that's a consideration as well.
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Wait for Titan and get 4 of those. Actually, those alone would probably be over 5k given your location lol
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I would go for 2 of the Gigabyte 4GB 680's. Adding a third really isn't going to achieve anything except epeen. If you put 2 in and for some reason it isn't doing what he wants, adding a third once its proven necessary is smarter than wasting money on it now. Just my opinion.

PC Case Gear does have the Samsung Pro SSDs, but only in 256GB.

I second the vote on Caselabs cases, but that will cost you $750+ once you include shipping to Aus.

Also, I have been running a Rampage 4E since they came out. Have not had a problem with the board at all. Does everything I ask of it and the over-clocking is super easy.

And personally, wouldn't bother with a sound card for the setup he is using.

Bluetooth can be added with a simple dongle.

Also, whatever you expect the watercooling to cost, add about 20-30%.
post #25 of 72
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Originally Posted by theyedi View Post

Wait for Titan and get 4 of those. Actually, those alone would probably be over 5k given your location lol
Yeah, no. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by BrighteousPony View Post

get 2x 7970's I would recommend these 7970's http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=19269

this is a very good sound card: http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=211&products_id=10940
Thanks for the info, I'm still not convinced I should be limiting myself to nVidia for this but I need more info from people more experienced in eyefinity/surround gaming than I am! smile.gif
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I would go for 2 of the Gigabyte 4GB 680's. Adding a third really isn't going to achieve anything except epeen. If you put 2 in and for some reason it isn't doing what he wants, adding a third once its proven necessary is smarter than wasting money on it now. Just my opinion.

PC Case Gear does have the Samsung Pro SSDs, but only in 256GB.

I second the vote on Caselabs cases, but that will cost you $750+ once you include shipping to Aus.

Also, I have been running a Rampage 4E since they came out. Have not had a problem with the board at all. Does everything I ask of it and the over-clocking is super easy.

And personally, wouldn't bother with a sound card for the setup he is using.

Bluetooth can be added with a simple dongle.

Also, whatever you expect the watercooling to cost, add about 20-30%.
Good advice smile.gif thanks.
Caselabs make awesome cases. There's no denying that. Still, out of the question for this build.

I'll drop it to two cards for now at least, and probably permanently. I don't know how to tell which cards use the reference PCB, so I don't know whether full cover waterblocks are available for theGigabyte ones. Also wonder if it'd be worthwhile chasing a water block arrangement for the Rampage if I do go that way... ?
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This is definitely in enthusiast territory, it's certainly a bit of a toy / object of pride.

3way SLI as mentioned above does leave room for a sound card, which is a bonus. Any recommendations, preferably from pccasegear's lineup?

I haven't read anything bad about the board, I will look further into it and perhaps change. Are you suggesting the Rampage instead, or have something else in mind?

Definitely the Asus Xonar series. Usually you get what you pay for with soundcards, so the more you pay, the more you'll get. I'd get the top of the line. I don't know much about motherboards, however, so sorry about that. frown.gif I'd still highly recommend a rampage over a big bang, or something that's republic of gamers. smile.gif
Edited by ploppercon - 2/12/13 at 5:04am
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I dont mean to be a downer here but what exactly is he after? It doesnt sound like the customer is very knowledgeable so what does he have now and what isnt it doing for him? You need to find out what his NEEDS are vice the WANTS before you can map out the hardware.

A tower that is painted nicely, loomed properly, and wired cleanly will usually provide all the bling a customer could want. Each piece of hardware added to the mix clutters the visual impact the tower can produce so keep that in mind. Producing a nice looking tower will cost money and if you want to water cool while looking great, expect to drop $1500 right there if you're going to paint, loom, and cool multiple components (a $5k setup needs to look like a $5k setup, not just perform like one).

Match the hardware to the needs, not the price tag. What you've listed so far can be done with a $200 (even less) motherboard while looking great if you're willing to remove unsightly chipset/fet covers or paint match them as applicable.

Dont forget, your labor is serious money! I always sell myself short here and end up spending a week on looming/cable management and giving my time away for free. Meanwhile, my fingers are bleeding and I'm googly eyed!
Edited by madweazl - 2/12/13 at 5:00am
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I linked you, or thought I did to CallsignVega he is probably the definitive source for displays here, and he had 4x7970s and they bottlenecked through the first card on his eyefinity setup. He says nvidia surround, and i trust him when he says it.

Does the guy play games which use high amounts of Vram? Modded skyrim / FC3 anything like that?

You could go with the 2GB versions of the card, but I think you might run into issues if he goes with 3 displays, and start getting microstutter from lack of additional VRam.
The reason I suggest the MSI lightning or the FTW+ card is they have unlocked voltages, most cards in the 600 series do not, and its something you need to look out for if you're going to OC and put your cards under water. For me, I wouldn't spend the additional 120$ per card for block and fittings, unless the card had unlocked voltages.
Edited by Avonosac - 2/12/13 at 7:05am
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I dont mean to be a downer here but what exactly is he after? It doesnt sound like the customer is very knowledgeable so what does he have now and what isnt it doing for him? You need to find out what his NEEDS are vice the WANTS before you can map out the hardware.

A tower that is painted nicely, loomed properly, and wired cleanly will usually provide all the bling a customer could want. Each piece of hardware added to the mix clutters the visual impact the tower can produce so keep that in mind. Producing a nice looking tower will cost money and if you want to water cool while looking great, expect to drop $1500 right there if you're going to paint, loom, and cool multiple components (a $5k setup needs to look like a $5k setup, not just perform like one).

Match the hardware to the needs, not the price tag. What you've listed so far can be done with a $200 (even less) motherboard while looking great if you're willing to remove unsightly chipset/fet covers or paint match them as applicable.

Dont forget, your labor is serious money! I always sell myself short here and end up spending a week on looming/cable management and giving my time away for free. Meanwhile, my fingers are bleeding and I'm googly eyed!
Currently the machine which is failing to impress is a laptop. He understands a great gamer can be had for $1-2K, but as mentioned previously since he gets all his other electronics at absurdly low prices, he's happy to drop a bit more than usual on a tower.

I wholeheartedly agree about looking like a $5k machine, and to that end I'll spend as much time on it as I need to. I'm doing this because it's a passion of mine, not because I want to make money off it smile.gif so time spent is really just me enjoying myself. Each piece does indeed add clutter, another reason I'm still in two minds about adding a sound card. I've been updating the OP as we go along - have a quick check and most of the use/aim/requirements are outlined there.

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I linked you, or thought I did to CallsignVega he is probably the definitive source for displays here, and he had 4x7970s and they bottlenecked through the first card on his eyefinity setup. He says nvidia surround, and i trust him when he says it.

Does the guy play games which use high amounts of Vram? Modded skyrim / FC3 anything like that?

You could go with the 2GB versions of the card, but I think you might run into issues if he goes with 3 displays, and start getting microstutter from lack of additional VRam.
The reason I suggest the MSI lightning or the FTW+ card is they have unlocked voltages, most cards in the 600 series do not, and its something you need to look out for if you're going to OC and put your cards under water. For me, I wouldn't spend the additional 120$ per card for block and fittings, unless the card had unlocked voltages.
You sure did, and I have been speaking to him via PM about if. My issue with dropping to 2GB is while I'd love to do it to allow an extra card comfortably inside budget, I can imagine the lower VRAM may start becoming a limitation when 3d gaming comes into play. If two 4GB 680s are going to do the job and do it well on 3x1080p, I'll stick with that - for the moment at least.

I hadn't considered unlocked voltages. I guess I just assumed people had worked out how to unlock them on pretty well any 680 by now through BIOS adjustments etc, but I'll adjust the parts list again wink.gif


All these adjustments are exactly why I like to start planning things a fair way out - not the week before ordering parts! smile.gif

Once again, thanks for the help guys.


More food for thought - CallsignVega has put the idea in my head of using Ivy. 3770K and a UP7 are a cheaper option than the 3930K, dropping a couple of cores probably won't be a huge issue with gaming being the main focus. I have no hands-on experience with 3d modelling software, video encoding, or any real high intensity CPU work though so it's difficult for me to get my head around this.
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