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Currently the machine which is failing to impress is a laptop. He understands a great gamer can be had for $1-2K, but as mentioned previously since he gets all his other electronics at absurdly low prices, he's happy to drop a bit more than usual on a tower.

I wholeheartedly agree about looking like a $5k machine, and to that end I'll spend as much time on it as I need to. I'm doing this because it's a passion of mine, not because I want to make money off it smile.gif so time spent is really just me enjoying myself. Each piece does indeed add clutter, another reason I'm still in two minds about adding a sound card. I've been updating the OP as we go along - have a quick check and most of the use/aim/requirements are outlined there.
You sure did, and I have been speaking to him via PM about if. My issue with dropping to 2GB is while I'd love to do it to allow an extra card comfortably inside budget, I can imagine the lower VRAM may start becoming a limitation when 3d gaming comes into play. If two 4GB 680s are going to do the job and do it well on 3x1080p, I'll stick with that - for the moment at least.

I hadn't considered unlocked voltages. I guess I just assumed people had worked out how to unlock them on pretty well any 680 by now through BIOS adjustments etc, but I'll adjust the parts list again wink.gif


All these adjustments are exactly why I like to start planning things a fair way out - not the week before ordering parts! smile.gif

Once again, thanks for the help guys.


More food for thought - CallsignVega has put the idea in my head of using Ivy. 3770K and a UP7 are a cheaper option than the 3930K, dropping a couple of cores probably won't be a huge issue with gaming being the main focus. I have no hands-on experience with 3d modelling software, video encoding, or any real high intensity CPU work though so it's difficult for me to get my head around this.

If cost is the issue, the 2x 4GB unlocked cards would be better than 3x something else. Since you need to spend another 1/4 of the cards cost to get it watercooled. The 3770k is a great idea with the UP7, the PLX will slow the PCIe down a little bit, but I doubt the loss would be noticed. The difference would be does the friend want to stream live games (video encoding) which sometimes can be demanding if you do it at high enough resolutions and bitrates. Regardless the 3770k is a great chip, and he wouldn't likely feel underpowered by it. The UP7 would give you the space to expand to 4 cards if he felt he needed more oomph in the future. It all depends really, if some of the rumors are to be trusted, the titan releases in 5 days, and the 780 in 2 months. If those dates are hit, the 780 would be a much better choice as it has 3gb natively.
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Just so you know:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1704636
Interesting read but hard to sort out rubbish from fact.
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If cost is the issue, the 2x 4GB unlocked cards would be better than 3x something else. Since you need to spend another 1/4 of the cards cost to get it watercooled. The 3770k is a great idea with the UP7, the PLX will slow the PCIe down a little bit, but I doubt the loss would be noticed. The difference would be does the friend want to stream live games (video encoding) which sometimes can be demanding if you do it at high enough resolutions and bitrates. Regardless the 3770k is a great chip, and he wouldn't likely feel underpowered by it. The UP7 would give you the space to expand to 4 cards if he felt he needed more oomph in the future. It all depends really, if some of the rumors are to be trusted, the titan releases in 5 days, and the 780 in 2 months. If those dates are hit, the 780 would be a much better choice as it has 3gb natively.
I'll leave it as 2 EVGA FTW 4GB editions for the moment. If something better comes up in the meantime I'll consider it smile.gif Also I'll talk to him more about how often he'll be using it for crazy labour intensive CPU work and probably move to Ivy Bridge.

Have also updated the PSU choice to AX760, would be plenty for 3930K and two 680s, should be still good for the Ivy.



edit: also dropped to 16GB RAM, 32 felt like I was being a little silly. 2x8GB to allow for expansion in future.
Edited by savage1987 - 2/13/13 at 2:25am
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Interesting read but hard to sort out rubbish from fact.
I'll leave it as 2 EVGA FTW 4GB editions for the moment. If something better comes up in the meantime I'll consider it smile.gif Also I'll talk to him more about how often he'll be using it for crazy labour intensive CPU work and probably move to Ivy Bridge.

Have also updated the PSU choice to AX760, would be plenty for 3930K and two 680s, should be still good for the Ivy.

Great PSU, the 4GB in most situation is not needed, but Skyrim heavily modded and Metro, and a few other titles out there right now need it at full settings, not to mention if he ups the resolutions things will start to need it as well. The post is accurate for almost all gamers at 1080p though, single monitor.

EDIT: a bit more info, you don't really need 4GB, but you need more than 2.
Edited by Avonosac - 2/13/13 at 2:28am
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Modded Skyrim was what finally hit the limits of my signature rig, surprisingly tongue.gif I thought other games would topple it first but there you go.

The PSU choice for me makes a lot of sense. I have stuck by Corsair for a long time for a number of reasons; I love their PSUs. From there I figured i needed 750W or so to comfortably run this with everything flat out, from reading around a fair bit. A modular PSU seems like it's going to be the best option for a tidy case, ease of servicing/replacement and also easier to tackle on my first cable sleeving adventures.

Typical use:

Minecraft 100% of the time
Runescape 100% of the time
Youtube, music editing, mcedit, Doom, Doom editor, pokemmo a lot of the time
and in between there (possibly at the same time as, on occasion), top shelf games, with which the intent is to have no trouble at max settings, 5760x1080.


This in mind, I still think the Ivy quad won't have too much trouble with anything listed so that is looking like a better and better option. Regardless, it'll sure as hell be better at multitasking than his laptops have been tongue.gif
Edited by savage1987 - 2/13/13 at 3:21am
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Modded Skyrim was what finally hit the limits of my signature rig, surprisingly tongue.gif I thought other games would topple it first but there you go.

The PSU choice for me makes a lot of sense. I have stuck by Corsair for a long time for a number of reasons; I love their PSUs. From there I figured i needed 750W or so to comfortably run this with everything flat out, from reading around a fair bit. A modular PSU seems like it's going to be the best option for a tidy case, ease of servicing/replacement and also easier to tackle on my first cable sleeving adventures.

Typical use:

Minecraft 100% of the time
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Youtube, music editing, mcedit, Doom, Doom editor, pokemmo a lot of the time
and in between there (possibly at the same time as, on occasion), top shelf games, with which the intent is to have no trouble at max settings, 5760x1080.


This in mind, I still think the Ivy quad won't have too much trouble with anything listed so that is looking like a better and better option. Regardless, it'll sure as hell be better at multitasking than his laptops have been tongue.gif

Without a doubt, the 3770k is perfect for what he'll do. On top of that, when you're going to spend 5k on a system, why make one that can't play games because of Vram? If he is holding out on the build (a couple months from now. A single titan might actually be better than the SLI 680s with none of the issues. Better or close enough to not matter.
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Without a doubt, the 3770k is perfect for what he'll do. On top of that, when you're going to spend 5k on a system, why make one that can't play games because of Vram? If he is holding out on the build (a couple months from now. A single titan might actually be better than the SLI 680s with none of the issues. Better or close enough to not matter.
I think the titan is way overrated to be honest, IDK if actual specs are released, but I doubt a single card will be able to outperform two cards in SLI when they're only one generation apart & the two cards in SLI are the best two single cards of their generation.
OP, IDK if this has been asked before, but will you be willing to go AMD as a GPU? I apologize if I missed something in the thread, but I think 2x7970 3 GB will be adequate for what you're doing and they'll be definitely cheaper and I believe 3 GB is enough for 3 monitors.
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Interesting read but hard to sort out rubbish from fact.

The GTX 680 has a 256-bit memory bus, that looks like a fact to me.
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I think the titan is way overrated to be honest, IDK if actual specs are released, but I doubt a single card will be able to outperform two cards in SLI when they're only one generation apart & the two cards in SLI are the best two single cards of their generation.
OP, IDK if this has been asked before, but will you be willing to go AMD as a GPU? I apologize if I missed something in the thread, but I think 2x7970 3 GB will be adequate for what you're doing and they'll be definitely cheaper and I believe 3 GB is enough for 3 monitors.
I'd unfortunately highly doubt that as well, from the handful of things I have read. Probably somewhere between single 680 / single 690 performance I would guess. Happy to be wrong though.

AMD GPUs are fine but someone up there was recommending nVidia for a couple of reasons - scaling better when a 3rd card is added is a big reason. I'd be cautious of AMD cards in case a third ever needs to go in.
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The GTX 680 has a 256-bit memory bus, that looks like a fact to me.
Yeah, I also read a lot more of that thread and it turns out the OP had pretty much no idea what he was talking about tongue.gif and all he could say is the "VRAM feels slow". Several comments also came up about higher VRAM coming into play with lots of big HD textures, and more with newer games. I'm taking that thread with a pinch of salt at the moment smile.gif
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I'd unfortunately highly doubt that as well, from the handful of things I have read. Probably somewhere between single 680 / single 690 performance I would guess. Happy to be wrong though.

AMD GPUs are fine but someone up there was recommending nVidia for a couple of reasons - scaling better when a 3rd card is added is a big reason. I'd be cautious of AMD cards in case a third ever needs to go in.
Yes, saying that such a single card will beat such dual cards is ridiculous, and if they manage to do it the prices will be sky high I'd believe.
I think you might want to change the PSU if you're gonna do any overclocking tho, 760W should be adequate but I think you'll be pushing it near to its limits.
You don't have the link to the AX760W, but if it's possible then go with this PSU : http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=21242
I never had a build with more than one GPU, so IDK about scaling but I've seen 7950's in trifire in the forum used by a few users and I didn't see complaints. If you go with AMD tho with such a budget tho I think it's much better to go with the 7970.
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The titan will be about 85-90% of the performance of a gtx690, without the memory bandwidth issues of the card, and without the internal SLI issues. Take a look here at a pretty reputable source. You can compare it to the 690 and see how it should pan out. It doesn't beat the 690, but it comes close. USD should be about $900. In aus, probably somewhere in the 12-1300 range frown.gif You guys really get shafted in PC hardware costs.
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