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I was looking at your RAM selection. I use photoshop. And I have 8GB RAM. I never thought I would max it out. But the other day when I was editing some really big file sized photos I maxed out my memory. Illustrator wouldnt even open one of them due to low memory. Just ordered a 16GB kit. He may never max it out, but with that being said I would now recommend 16GB. Plus you can set up a RAMdisk with the 16GB and still be just fine with tons of mem left over. And I recommend Corsair and if hes going all out, might as well make it at least 1866mhz.
The kit I had there was 16GB already tongue.gif
You're right about the speed upgrade though, it was a hasty and very sloppy choice.
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That SSD won't reach those speeds, I would advise 840 pro or 830 if you can find them from samsung. The sandforce controllers use compression to reach those speeds, they are good.. but the samsung pro 840 or 830 series are better.

Also, CL11 1600 ram... really?
This or This or This
SSD choice was made after consulting with our resident guru, Sean Webster. I gave him both drives and their prices, and he chose the SanDisk. smile.gif I am not going to question an authority such as Sean on SSD choices biggrin.gif so SanDisk it shall be.

RAM: answered elsewhere in this post...
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Sorry, that came off a little dick-ish. You would feel the difference between cl11 1600 ram and the kits I linked. Find similar ones with CL8/9 at 1600, or one of the kits I linked should work out fine.
That's what I wasn't sure of - how much practical difference there is with day-to-day tasks. My take on this is: who cares if your RAM benches better if it makes no difference in applications/gaming. I'll upgrade it though, the stuff I chose was definitely a bit crap for a build like this tongue.gif

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Just asking, why change? Out of budget? IIRC, X79 platform will be better for 3-way SLI and more ( if that'll be your objective in the future ) since it allows more PCIe lanes something like that, not 100% sure tho.
P.S : CL11 RAM is not very bad but why buy it when you have alternatives? Go for CL9 or even CL8 if you can.
Change was largely made on the advice of CallsignVega, based on its intended use. He is far more experienced builder of PCs in this price range than I am so I'm happy to take his advice on this. Freeing up a few dollars toward the water loop and graphics arrangement is a bonus. The Z77 will be fine for 3+ way SLI, the PLX chip will see to that. Sure the 6 core may be slightly better, but it comes at extra cost, as well as the two main boards I was looking at having their own individual problem sets. Depending how long it is until the build commences, Haswell may become an option as well but I'll look at that if/when the time comes.

How does CL11 stack up once we start talking about 1866/2133 kits? There seem to be a lot of those around. I unshamedly suck at RAM but I am doing my best to learn smile.gif

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Dell Monitors are actually good, compared to the rest of their stuff...
I'd recommend 3 Monitors in an Eyefinity display...

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&sku=225-3894&redirect=1

But thats obviously going to bump your prices way the hell up smile.gif
Monitor choice has nothing to do with me for this one - he's sorting that out at his end. Sells TVs for a living = totally his bag tongue.gif. I think he's planning 3 x 40", not sure on model number but 1080p and 100Hz were thrown around.
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The reason is the # of PCIe lanes supported by the processors themselves. The UP7 has a PLX chip on it to add to the lanes, it will reduce the performance of the anything in the extra lanes yes, but it wont eliminate them.

-2~3% with the PLX.

BTW, I'd go with the Sniper 3 instead of the UP7.
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Interesting. The Sniper is significantly cheaper which is a bonus, I will need to thoroughly compare feature sets before I substitute it.
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Interesting. The Sniper is significantly cheaper which is a bonus, I will need to thoroughly compare feature sets before I substitute it.

UP7 = extreme overclockers like those who're looking for WRs
G1.Sniper = gamers + overclockers (not extreme)

Checkout this great review with circuitry analysis:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1262935/g1-sniper-3-review-plx8747vsnf200-circuit-analysis-ln2oc-core3d/0_20
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I believe the extra cores will come in handy if he likes to play BF3 online on large maps and the X79 is more futureproof. The LGA 1155 socket is most likely basically dead, no more processors gonna be released for that.
About the RAM, I believe the RAM works in a way in which both the speed and the timings play a role. I don't think there'll be a signifcant difference between 1600 MHz CL9 and 2133 MHz CL11. If you can find something 1866+ MHz @ CL9 then yea that'd be fine ( considering it's 1.5V, I've read that any RAM that comes higher than that volt is factory overclocked and not worth it ).
EDIT : Also, the GTX Titan is due to be released in a week or less IIRC, if you're not in too much of a hurry you can get that if it's in your price range and it proves to be such a beast, or at least the GTX 680's will be likely to drop in prices.
Edited by Skorpian - 2/14/13 at 4:57am
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Looks like it'll be a good read, I will have a proper look tomorrow but it looks like it's got most things covered. May well end up on the list. smile.gif
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The kit I had there was 16GB already tongue.gif
You're right about the speed upgrade though, it was a hasty and very sloppy choice.

Right you are sir! I apologize... wink.gif
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post #58 of 72
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I like the look of that Sniper board - the only thing I can see as a practical advantage of the UP7 is the packaged wireless/bluetooth card which means one less component overall (although bluetooth adapter could no doubt be hidden somewhere easily..). For the extra money of the UP7 I'm not sure it's worth it over the Sniper, so the Sniper may well end up on my list smile.gif

I changed the RAM again today, just because, to a Corsair set. I took a drop from 2133 to 1866 for tighter timings (CL9 from CL11).
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It also has Dual NICs, outstanding onboard sound, ... so yeah, I think it would suit you better than the UP7.
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I'm realising I am perhaps being a little silly narrowing my choices to these two boards without giving others any thought.

Some others in a similar price bracket include the Maximus V Formula/Extreme, ASUS' P8Z77 WS and P8Z77 V (which I'm not sure are actually worth a proper look), and the EVGA FTW board which has some glowing reviews.

Now taking that list as well as the Sniper3 and UP7 as a start point, I'd love some objective info to cull them off until I'm left with a "last man standing".
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