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Again, that is insinuating that none of theses environmental changes effected other animals to any degree.

There is no such insinuation, at all.
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Take ourselves to our most basic de-evolved state.

No such thing.
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To think that a simple event so drastically changed our evolutionary path seems a bit far fetched when you really start to think about it.

Hardly.
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If climate change spurred evolution, other primates would have been on a same evolutionary spark.

Many likely were.

They either merged with proto-humans, or were out competed by them.

The Homo genus used to be much bigger.
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Why are humans the only animals to evolve conscious thought to mitigate problems, rather than physical ability like all other animals?

We aren't, nor can thought be separated from physical ability, as it's our physical ability that enables cognition.

Many animals solve problems via cognitive abilities, humans are simply the best at it.

The reason we are the only beings left in our superpredator niche is because there isn't room for more. All our competitors proved less fit, and the chances of another arising while we are still around is unlikely.
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My point was that, evolution takes thousands of years before you can see any effects.

Evolution does not require thousands of years, it requires a number of generations, the number of generations differes from species to species. But it needs to be long enough to make a mark on the general population. Shrimps could probably accomplish that in a few years.
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The word EVOLVED is a verb, meaning the evolution has finished its course to create a superior organism.

Evolved - adjective
Evolve - verb
Evolution - Noun

And you're messing it up. A superior organism can be created within the span of two generation, a mutation that makes the offspring smarter, faster or stronger, Just as easily as the offspring could be inferior
But that has little do with evolution (evolution has no set cours). To differntiate a species from an other (the "originial" and the evolved one the evolved one must be a self sustaining population. Again superiority or inferiority can be achieved within a generation or tw. A self sustaining population with clearly different genetical traits requires far more generations to pass.
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You did not evolve from your grandparents, you are in no way superior to anyone in that short amount of a time frame.

Again superiority over preceding generation is not a given
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Stating that "evolution is taking place all around us", is equivalent to "theres a supernova waiting to happen".

Stating that theres a supernova waiting to happen, is like saying theres evolution taking place all around us, wich is like saying enthropy is increasing.
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Both are completely factual. Both are touching time-frames that essentially, give us the amount of insight similar to a baboon..
This is a perfect example of what i call "baboon insight"

Baboons are awesome are the best of our ape brethren. Vicious and festive like crackers, shotguns and paper hats

And this "Baboon" is definitely, poop chuckingly sure you don't know how to use the word evolved
 
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post #133 of 162
Cool to see it finally comfirmed. Not gonna read anything in this thread because the comments in science threads always make my head explode because of the amount of stupidity in them.
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post #134 of 162
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So their "confirmation" is really just "we *think* this is what happened, and we have no direct evidence, but we have really good circumstantial evidence, but trust us anyway." rolleyes.gif

Not that I doubt this is what happened, but it is hardly "Confirmation", and in reality, what difference does it make WHAT wiped them out, it's just good enough that they were wiped out, otherwise we would have never come to be.

 

Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is also only speculation. So is anything properly prefaced with "Theory."

This includes all religious texts and practically everything scientific, even though most almost always preclude the addendum "Theory" in whatever they're "proving."

Since Reality itself is a theory, that makes it quite obvious everybody is theoretical.

Especially in Forums where all responses could be just the mechanical manifestation of some computers A.I. universe. Theoretically, that is.

An old Native American saying is, "When I die, the Universe dies with me."

That's a fact. Not theory. When any person dies, their unique outlook of, and interaction with the universe, dies with them.

An individual is the only, proveable, universal prime number.

OT, the best simulated Apophis asteroid impact I've seen is the opening cut-scene of the game "RAGE."

From 1st contact with the atmosphere to actual Earth impact seems rendered almost perfectly to what I envision as to what happens during an actual event.

It's really cool the way the fragmented Moon is shown throughout the game in orbit with the Moon and Earth.

I really don't see anybody surviving such a large impact, regardless of the structure they're in &/or how far away from impact they are.

Fortunately, or not, Human beings are rather tenacious and would probably find a way to survive.

It's a possibility that's what all the seeming waste the Mars expeditions may be.

I have no doubt that anyone discovering an extinction event would almost immediately be "disappeared" and then thoroughly disproven.

After all, the Government is the 1st to be saved during a nuclear war or any natural or man-made disaster. And rich people. Certainly not you or me.

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Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is also only speculation. So is anything properly prefaced with "Theory."
This includes all religious texts and practically everything scientific, even though most almost always preclude the addendum "Theory" in whatever they're "proving."

Equating religious texts with scientific theory, or referring to it as "only speculation", demonstrates a completely lack of understanding of what scientific theory is.

Speculation --> refinement --> hypothesis --> observation/testing --> theory.

You can't get to theory without proof.
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So people.. millions of years AFTER dinazords imagined them with almost perfection and with muscles and skim and even colors? Good one. Maybe thet saw them in discovery channel and drawed in the stones rigth?

Instead of assuming they used lizards or other animals as a base for these depictions, you assume that they drew existing animals (or that depictions are 70 million years old) even though there is proof or finds to substantiate that or either theory.

Let's see how that pans out.

A scientist finds a child of todays drawings in 4000 years. Now the scientist knows that we hade flying machines and how they looked. But the kids drawing depicts something that looks more like the flying machines that are common in the future. What will the scientist assume?

A. Time travellers
B. Aliens
C. The kid was crappy at painting
D. The kid had imagination.
 
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So people.. millions of years AFTER dinazords imagined them with almost perfection and with muscles and skim and even colors? Good one.

What the hell do you think everyone from kids with crayons, to Hollywood directors, to paleontologists do now?
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Maybe thet saw them in discovery channel and drawed in the stones rigth?

Where do you think the stuff on the discovery channel comes from? Real footage of living dinosaurs?

Obviously not. It's our imagination, our interpretation, of what these creatures may have looked like based on the fossils we have found, along with our experiences with vaguely similar existent creatures.

People have been finding fossils, watching birds and reptiles, using their imaginations, and drawing all sorts of real and imaginary things since people have existed.

The idea that these people were actually watching live dinosaurs, despite an utter lack of any evidence of any dinosaurs after ~66 million years ago, instead of drawing things from their imagination is one of the most absurdly idiotic things I have ever heard.
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Humans and apes supposedly had a similar common ancestor.

No other primate ate a disproportionate amount of meat?
Hard to believe.

Besides the fact that there are other meat eaters that have no brain growth from eating meat.
Again, that is insinuating that none of theses environmental changes effected other animals to any degree.

Take ourselves to our most basic de-evolved state. To think that a simple event so drastically changed our evolutionary path seems a bit far fetched when you really start to think about it.

If climate change spurred evolution, other primates would have been on a same evolutionary spark.

It get murkier with this variable:

Why are humans the only animals to evolve conscious thought to mitigate problems, rather than physical ability like all other animals?

Why stop there? Everything had a common ancestor, so why isn't there just one species on the entire planet? How would a second species evolve at all ever in the history of our planet?

You are making one false assumption here. You're assuming that all individuals and sub-populations perform identical actions and are affected identically by their local environments (which are also all identical). Your point is perfectly valid if that assumption is true.

For instance, one way speciation can occur is if a population finds itself in a separate environment with selective pressures that are different from the environment that it used to be in. This can happen by migration or the environment itself changing (the action of plate tectonics, a sudden volcano eruption that leads to a population being divided, a group literally just moving away, etc).
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So people.. millions of years AFTER dinazords imagined them with almost perfection and with muscles and skim and even colors? Good one. Maybe thet saw them in discovery channel and drawed in the stones rigth?

yes and no. how can you tell that the "dinozord" were depicted perfectly by anyone? were you around millions of years ago? after all, didn't we imagine (or rather piece together from fossil evidence) how they looked with their "skins" on? oh, and about these stones:
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We are trying here to examine the facts from a scientific point of view and would like to get scientific (or, at worst, scientific “sounding”) answers.

The matter could be easily solved by dating the stones. Have they been dated yet? Nope, sorry. Carbon dating can only be done on artifacts that contain organic material, and the stones do not. The only way to date them would be to examine the strata in which they were found.

Okay, then: what about that strata? Well, there’s another little problem here: no one knows exactly were the stones come from. Some say they were found by locals on the bed of a river, others in an unidentified cave.

As compensation for these shortcomings, however, one could read a very revealing interview with a Basilio Uchuya and his wife, Irma Gutierrez de Aparcana, two peasants from Callango, published some years ago by Mundial magazine (Anonymous 1975). In it,

Basilio and Irma admit that all of the stones they sold to Cabrera they had carved themselves. As for the subjects to be depicted on the stones it was easy: they chose illustrations from comic books, school books, and magazines.

Cabrera objected that andesite is too hard to carve well by mere mortals using stone tools. “True,” says Carroll in his entry on the Ica stones, “but the stones are not carved. They are graved, i.e., a surface layer of oxidation has been scratched away.

Cabrera assumes that the creators of the stones only had stone tools available to them. The Inca, Maya, and Aztec cultures all (already) had advanced metallurgy by the time the Spanish arrived. Cabrera and the Ica locals certainly have more than

stone tools available to them.” That yellowish, ancient layer that covered the stones was as easily obtained, said Basilio: once the etching was done, the stones were placed in a poultry pen and chickens did the rest. Finally, a recent examination of the

stones, done in Barcellona by José Antonio Lamich, founder of the Spanish “Hipergea” research group, revealed signs of sandpaper and recent carvings, thus fueling the hoax hypothesis. When questioned why they did it, the hoaxers answered that

etching stones was easier than tilling the soil.
- csiop.org
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Take ourselves to our most basic de-evolved state. To think that a simple event so drastically changed our evolutionary path seems a bit far fetched when you really start to think about it.
So you're basically asking why there isn't exactly one species on the planet (or maybe I'll be generous, one per biome)? Also, there were actually similar species to humans (homo-erectus as one example).
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Why are humans the only animals to evolve conscious thought to mitigate problems, rather than physical ability like all other animals?
We've demonstrated some animals can use tools (ravens, primates), so humans aren't the only ones to be able to think their way out of a problem.
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