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Good call for AMD. Its not needed and you have PLENTY of power right now. People just want bragging rights with the latest technology and have money to burn. They are also to busy with all 3 next gen consoles as well. That is the hold up.

Yeah, that's a great call.

People with money to burn want to burn it on your products but since you're in such great financial shape, you don't need it. rolleyes.gif
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Not really. With my 680 lightning I have no problems keeping vync with both games maxed and aa. There is not one game that a 680 cannot handle@1080 with some aa. Same as with the 7970.

is that with MAXED AA as well?

Maybe not tongue.gif

I get what people from both sides of the opinion are saying. Yes, sometimes the level of AA in a game makes a very small difference relative to how big of an impact it has on the framerate. But, I share the 'other' side's opinion, and that is that unless all settings are at their highest, the game is not maxed. I think people throw the term "maxed" around a lot on here, but there's many instances where compromises have still been made.

Both are right in a way wink.gif
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What came first, the chicken or the egg?

I think Titan will allow for bigger and badder PC titles and the upward spiral will continue. Especially with the new consoles, multi-plats are going to get a lot better, let alone PC-focused games. I think with the article most people have read on here about Titan targeting consoles, this is even more evident. Hopefully a new generation of Crysis-3-level games is upon us thumb.gif

True. This is what excites me most about next gen consoles, finally they won't hold PC gaming back. At least, not for a couple of years.
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Yeah, the console will be the bottleneck again soon tongue.gif

But until then...we shall enjoy life biggrin.gif
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that's a rather naive statement.

3DMarks have become the standard benchmark for GPUs and are included in almost every review for GPUs these days, that's why they put it there. The 7970GE also enjoys a small lead over the GTX680 in alot of games too.

Naive, laugh. Standard benchmark for those that don't know any better. Myself, and other high end GPU/computer enthusiast that I know skips right over silly 3DMark pages in reviews. The only thing that matters in the end is actual game performance, not synthetic numbers. And they differ most of the time. As for the 7970GE vs 680, they trade blows back and forth between games as they should. Although, I will say the 7970GE is closer to its maximum overclock limit with it's factory overclock than the stock 680 is. Always something to consider.

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Not really. With my 680 lightning I have no problems keeping vync with both games maxed and aa. There is not one game that a 680 cannot handle@1080 with some aa. Same as with the 7970.

Wrong. Not even close at 120+ FPS, but even at lowly 60 FPS. There are plenty of games that can bring a single 680/7970 to it's knees if you turn up the settings, even at 1080P.
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Max settings are not required to play a game, contrary to popular belief.

True, but in the context of such-and-such card being "enough" defeats the purpose of having the best/most expensive GPU. I personally do not buy the best/fastest/most expensive equipment to run things at reduced settings. There is plenty of room for faster GPU's than we have now for those that wish to run everything maxed out. A perfect example is Witcher 2. With everything maxed out including uber-sampling, on my 1080P 2D Lightboost monitor my two 680 Classifieds at 1400 MHz core average around ~90 FPS. It would take two Titans etc to run that mode while keeping a min of 120 FPS, even at simple 1080P. Not to mention with the new consoles coming out, ports will be even more demanding. For those that run 120+ FPS/Hz monitors or multi-monitor, that is far greater strain on a computers GPU system than on even a next-gen consoles, even if it is just a port.
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True, but in the context of such-and-such card being "enough" defeats the purpose of having the best/most expensive GPU. I personally do not buy the best/fastest/most expensive equipment to run things at reduced settings. There is plenty of room for faster GPU's than we have now for those that wish to run everything maxed out. A perfect example is Witcher 2. With everything maxed out including uber-sampling, on my 1080P 2D Lightboost monitor my two 680 Classifieds at 1400 MHz core average around ~90 FPS. It would take two Titans etc to run that mode while keeping a min of 120 FPS, even at simple 1080P. Not to mention with the new consoles coming out, ports will be even more demanding. For those that run 120+ FPS/Hz monitors or multi-monitor, that is far greater strain on a computers GPU system than on even a next-gen consoles, even if it is just a port.

I actually meant my statement of "games can be run without max settings and still played" more as a jab at people who think if a game doesn't run perfectly on *THEIR* hardware, that it's "unoptimized trash" or "requires hardware no one has!". I run 2560x1600 myself and have for over four years, and always try to keep up high on the GPU curve. Believe me, I know smile.gif.
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Saying that there's no need for new cards, I can play all games almost maxed at 1080p 60Hz is like saying that there's no need for cars that go over 40MPH because I only drive in the slow city traffic. rolleyes.gif True enthusiasts use 1080p 120Hz screen or even better, a 2440p 120Hz screen. Good luck maxing games with those screens using a single card. SLI and CF are way more driver dependent than single GPU cards so that's not always suitable option for everyone.
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a simple question, if you have a dual gpu card, do you have to apply those sli/crossfire profiles or you dont have to?
anyway i am kind of not happy that they are basicly taking a year off ... will probably go with some 7970 bundled with games ...

thanks
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a simple question, if you have a dual gpu card, do you have to apply those sli/crossfire profiles or you dont have to?
anyway i am kind of not happy that they are basicly taking a year off ... will probably go with some 7970 bundled with games ...

thanks
revro

For nVidia they are included with every new driver package, and you rarely if ever have to mess around with the profiles manually. AMD releases "catalyst application profile" CAP packs with new profiles between driver releases that you have to manually update, but also includes most profiles with their drivers (albeit not always the newest ones). In both cases the profiles will apply automatically when you launch a 3d program or game.
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Naive, laugh. Standard benchmark for those that don't know any better. Myself, and other high end GPU/computer enthusiast that I know skips right over silly 3DMark pages in reviews. The only thing that matters in the end is actual game performance, not synthetic numbers. And they differ most of the time. As for the 7970GE vs 680, they trade blows back and forth between games as they should. Although, I will say the 7970GE is closer to its maximum overclock limit with it's factory overclock than the stock 680 is. Always something to consider. .

I really disagree with you on the last part. You have classifieds with EV Bot? Most 680s really don't overclock incredibly well due to kepler throttling at 70C and the lack of overvoltage. Maybe your perspective is different since i'm sure you've tweaked your classifieds, but aside from old classifieds and MSI lightning, I honestly don't think kepler overclocks well at all. If you do overclock you'll be in kepler throttle territory which will negate the overclock - especially with a stock cooler. I can 100% guarantee a good overclock on a stock 680 will go above 70C when vsync is off in games like crysis 3, far cry 3, etc; that 70C threshold will lower your clockspeed and negate your overclock. Net result? Not much. I personally think the 7970 overclock headroom is far better having used both; although this is pretty subjective. But keep in mind from the perspective of locking mechanisms, kepler has a ton of stuff that prevents good overclocking. (this is why I bought MSI lightnings....in my opinion the best 680 bar none)

Just IMO. It doesn't really matter since the cards trade blows like you said, and some prefer the software ecosystem that nvidia provides.
Edited by xoleras - 2/10/13 at 7:59am
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