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Funny you should mention that, just 2 days ago this article popped up ...

Would Microsoft really bring Office to Linux?


OH LAWD, if they release it by 2014... 100% switching over. (by that time I hope GW2 will have linux support)
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OH LAWD, if they release it by 2014... 100% switching over. (by that time I hope GW2 will have linux support)

Most likely, if Microsoft released Office in 2014, I would switch all but a hand full of the computers at my office over to Linux as well. Sure I would most likely have to have a Windows VM for a couple people, but the majority of people could easily ditch Windows 7 and XP and never look back. I just got word that the CRM program that we use is being ported to Linux this year. Couple that with the fact that we are just about done our transition from using Exact Macola for our accounting system over to Sage 300 (formerly known as Accpac) and Sage 300 supports Linux NOW, there would be very little stopping our company from saying "Bye-Bye" to the Microsoft Monopoly.
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But think of all the retraining time/costs to teach people to use anything that isn't a direct evolution of Windows XP.

Its literally impossible.
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I have my doubts that Linux gaming can get where it needs to be by 2014. This is a nice, important step none the less.


...wake me when I don't even have to ask if the new AAA games are for Linux too.
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But think of all the retraining time/costs to teach people to use anything that isn't a direct evolution of Windows XP.

Its literally impossible.

You mean like Windows 8?

Hey, if you, as a Windows 8 Fanboi, are going to sit there and ignore the costs involved with not having a "Classic View" mode in Windows 8, then you pretty much have ZERO leg to stand on when talking about retraining people on Linux.

At worse, the costs involved with retraining people on how to use Linux as opposed to Windows 8 would be the same. The difference being that once it's done, it's done. Since Linux is open source and can have it's shell EASILY replaced, you don't have to worry about what Microsoft will try to force down your throat GUI wise with the next iteration of Windows.

That is, of course, you didn't do something like this with Linux: How to Make Ubuntu Linux Look Like Windows 7




Translation: Shoo troll, shoo.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 2/10/13 at 7:18am
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Thanks.

I'll try Linux after Steam standardize it somewhat for gaming.
One version and one version only.

It will not be fun for a user to run one version, just to find out their game will run better on another version.
Linux Nerds can find calm among the chaos, but us average users don't have time to sort through it.

That's why DX was implemented in the first place. To calm the chaos.

The state of Linux is such that there are two main package systems right now, Debian (deb packages), Fedora (Redhat rpm packages) . Slackware isn't that widely used so tar.gz is not that big other than for cross-Linux support through untarring.

My bets are on Steam being on Linux Mint/Ubuntu first (deb). They are the most user-friendly distributions of Linux out there in terms of getting forums support and out of the box experience.

On Steam's webpage, it lists Ubuntu deb packages as the install method
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Hardware and Software Requirements
Steam for Linux requires the following:
*1 GHz Pentium 4 or AMD Opteron with 512 megabytes of RAM and 5 gigabytes of hard drive space, or better.
*Internet connection (Cable/DSL speeds recommended)
*Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, fully updated
*Latest graphics driver
*NVidia driver support - For recent cards (e.g. series 8), you will need to install 310.x. For older cards, driver 304.x supports the NVidia 6 and 7 GPU series. To access these drivers, first update your cache and then install the specific driver you need from the list in Additional Drivers.
*AMD driver support - For recent cards (e.g. series 5 and above), we recommend installing the 12.11 driver. For older cards, Catalyst 12.6 supports the HD 2400 Pro card and is the latest for the 2 and 4 GPU series.
*Intel HD 3000/4000 driver support - you will need to use the latest Mesa drivers, Mesa 9 or later. For installation instructions, see here.

Getting Started
Install the Steam for Linux client:
1. Download the steam.deb package from this location: http://media.steampowered.com/client/installer/steam.deb .
2. Open a graphical file manager (for Ubuntu 12.04, click the folder icon on the Unity Launch bar).
3. Navigate to the directory containing steam.deb and double-click it. This launches Ubuntu Software Center and installs the package.
*If you prefer to install from the command-line, use gdebi. Install the gdebi-core package (apt-get install gdebi-core) and then install the Steam for Linux package (gdebi steam.deb).
4. For a list of games supported by Steam for Linux either vist this page or click Store (from the client) and then the Linux tab on the far-right.
We recommend that you join the Steam for Linux official game group, located here. You will find future beta announcements and other information posted here as well as an active discussion forum.
- http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/882965118609963322/

Also "Apt-get update" (or using the synaptic package manager) is actually a ton more convenient than Windows Update and then updating every program like Java/Flash separately

If Linux gets more polish then we may get what happened with the Blackberry, basically a complete conversion to Linux/Mac (Android/iphone OS)
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You mean like Windows 8?

Hey, if you, as a Windows 8 Fanboi, are going to sit there and ignore the costs involved with not having a "Classic View" mode in Windows 8, then you pretty much have ZERO leg to stand on when talking about retraining people on Linux.

At worse, the costs involved with retraining people on how to use Linux as opposed to Windows 8 would be the same. The difference being that once it's done, it's done. Since Linux is open source and can have it's shell EASILY replaced, you don't have to worry about what Microsoft will try to force down your throat GUI wise with the next iteration of Windows.

That is, of course, you didn't do something like this with Linux: How to Make Ubuntu Linux Look Like Windows 7

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Translation: Shoo troll, shoo.

What are you on about, now? What costs? The start menu is replaced by the start screen in Win8, functionally the desktop is identical. There is no retraining there from Win7--->Win8, and Win8 runs everything from Windows still. It's great! Wake me up when Windows becomes too expensive in any way, shape, or form, Zbrush/Photoshop/etc. run on Linux natively, Visual Studio runs on Linux as well as my other dev tools, games run mostly, and it's as easy to use as Windows. Every year, you guys proclaim "IT'S THE YEAR OF LINUX ON THE DESKTOP!" and every year, it isn't... tongue.gif .
Edited by GoldenTiger - 2/10/13 at 7:36am
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You mean like Windows 8?

Hey, if you, as a Windows 8 Fanboi, are going to sit there and ignore the costs involved with not having a "Classic View" mode in Windows 8, then you pretty much have ZERO leg to stand on when talking about retraining people on Linux.

At worse, the costs involved with retraining people on how to use Linux as opposed to Windows 8 would be the same. The difference being that once it's done, it's done. Since Linux is open source and can have it's shell EASILY replaced, you don't have to worry about what Microsoft will try to force down your throat GUI wise with the next iteration of Windows.

That is, of course, you didn't do something like this with Linux: How to Make Ubuntu Linux Look Like Windows 7




Translation: Shoo troll, shoo.

You bit, quite hard lol tongue.gif

After hearing pretty consistenly about how retraining staff was supposedly a big thing for you, I'm glad we've got this out in the open.

Edit: @ below

lol. Dat foot in mouth/stepped in it damage control.

Regardless, your whole point previously was that nobody would want to have to retrain in the first place, and your assertion that people would be forced to use new GUIs in next iterations is mooted by the fact that many business computers still run XP to this day.
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What are you on about, now? What costs?

It's an on going argument between me and Grizzle about Windows 8 in the business world.

I knew his comments were made to intentionally bait me into the response I gave him. So I figured I'm make his day and give him his expected answer. wink.gif

Sadly, I bet he thinks that this now justifies what he said about Windows 8, but unfortunately he is the type of person who will completely ignore what I said and miss the point ... "The difference being that once it's done, it's done. Since Linux is open source and can have it's shell EASILY replaced, you don't have to worry about what Microsoft will try to force down your throat GUI wise with the next iteration of Windows."
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 2/10/13 at 9:07am
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Yeah, I gathered that smile.gif.
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