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With the introduction of the Steam Box (piston, xi3) it looks very plausible that gaming will switch from the Windows OS to Linux. IIRC most gamers didn't even like windows back when doom was around. What I need to know is a few things.

I plan on buying a new computer. With this new computer, I want it to be 100% controllable. Lightweight, fast-launching, that sorta thing. Windows 7 takes up 10 gigs, most of it useless clutter (I believe. Don't quote me on it :L )

The issue with this new computer is since its lightweight, I really don't wanna go with Windows unless i have to. Linux being a viable option, I need it to run what I need to.

So can Linux :
A) Run Programs like Sony Vegas 11
B) Run Executables
C) Be compatible with most games otherwise, and their respective mods?

Thank you in advance
 
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With the introduction of the Steam Box (piston, xi3) it looks very plausible that gaming will switch from the Windows OS to Linux. IIRC most gamers didn't even like windows back when doom was around. What I need to know is a few things.

I plan on buying a new computer. With this new computer, I want it to be 100% controllable. Lightweight, fast-launching, that sorta thing. Windows 7 takes up 10 gigs, most of it useless clutter (I believe. Don't quote me on it :L )

The issue with this new computer is since its lightweight, I really don't wanna go with Windows unless i have to. Linux being a viable option, I need it to run what I need to.

So can Linux :
A) Run Programs like Sony Vegas 11
B) Run Executables
C) Be compatible with most games otherwise, and their respective mods?

Thank you in advance

Sigh....you basically are asking for free windows. That is not what Linux is about. Check the essentials thread in this section and read up there.

A-C) Yes...to a degree through something called WINE. But again...this is not actually running things in Linux as much as making a hack(workaround) to run code that wasn't designed for Linux in Linux. If you expect it to work perfectly or just be exactly like Windows you will be sorely mistaken and come away from the experience thinking that Linux is a stupid OS and a waste of time like every person who tries Linux thinking it should be like free windows. BUT, if you are willing to try things Linux's way then you will have a better appreciation for software all around and even if you aren't satisfied you won't be another one of the "Linux sucks" people.

If you need help ask around there are plenty of people willing to help so don't hesitate to ask. Just be willing to at least try the things suggested in the manner suggested.

Have you made any decision as to what distro you'd like to begin with?

PS: It will be at least 2 years if then before we get anything beyond Valve and a handful of studios or titles native to Linux. So be patient on the gaming front. It is going to take time.

Final PS: Hope you enjoy Linux. thumb.gif
     
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Just run Windows. Linux isn't gonna do what you want it to do.
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With the introduction of the Steam Box (piston, xi3) it looks very plausible that gaming will switch from the Windows OS to Linux. IIRC most gamers didn't even like windows back when doom was around. What I need to know is a few things.

I plan on buying a new computer. With this new computer, I want it to be 100% controllable. Lightweight, fast-launching, that sorta thing. Windows 7 takes up 10 gigs, most of it useless clutter (I believe. Don't quote me on it :L )

The issue with this new computer is since its lightweight, I really don't wanna go with Windows unless i have to. Linux being a viable option, I need it to run what I need to.

So can Linux :
A) Run Programs like Sony Vegas 11
B) Run Executables
C) Be compatible with most games otherwise, and their respective mods?

Thank you in advance

10gbs? your dreaming. windows takes at least 20 before updates. and most of it is crap.

linux can not run sony vegas. and the wine rating are pretty bad. linux does not use .exes, but it's own packages format depending on the distro. all software must be complied for it. while it is compatible with many games, it does not even come close to most. on the up side, theres a ton of *nix software that you havn't gotten to use yet and it much better/ isn't available for windows. while not being able to run windows software may seem bad, a lot of software you use everyday is available for linux. Firefox, chrome, google earth, vlc, libre/openoffice, etc. in the vast majority of cases there is linux software of equal or better quality, plus some awesome stuff you never get on windows, like gparted or compiz. speaking of which, the gui in general is multiple times more customizable, and that is true for everything (since almost all is open source) in the system. plus it's faster, free, not just in cost but in source, meaning you can do what you want with it. it won't complain moving motherboards. it won't spam you with more offers. and to top it off viruses are so rare you don't even need any protection.

all in all a good GNU/Linux distro is a better OS then Windows. but if you are going to get into Linux you need to do so with an open mind and understand that it doesn't work the same way. for example, you may be going 'it doesn't work with .exes!" right now, but it also has a package manager. as do most unix-like OSes, so in many many some of the thing you see as negative are really positive. if you plan on trying linux you need to forget how you customised, install software, and went about admin tasks on windows. once you do, a ton of distros come working with everything you might need out of the box and are, IMO, easier then windows, once you get past / unlearn microsofts crap.
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Alright, I know it was a stupid question but I can only dream smile.gif

Thank you for the answers. I'll be installing it on a partition as something to toy around with smile.gif
 
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Just run Windows. Linux isn't gonna do what you want it to do.

Any supporting evidence for your argument?

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Sony Vegas doesn't work properly through wine, and most notably will lack full hardware acceleration. It'd be more appropriate to use a Linux native video editing suite. As far as the other questions... You won't be touching EXE's outside of WINE ever again. You don't simply go "Oh hey, I want Firefox lemme go download the installer from their website." Instead you go to whatever software management utility your distro uses and search "Firefox" and click "Install" its pretty neat how much easier that is in practice. On the note of games however, it really depends. Several titles still elude me on Linux, and I fire up a Windows VM with VGA passthrough to play them, for example, Max Payne 3 and Battlefield 3... Furthermore Wine has VERY broken controller support so games like Castle Crashers and DmC are frustrating to play. For my games that are played best with a controller, I prefer playing them on a TV anyways, so I use my currently Windows based HTPC to play them - it doesn't even run Windows explorer though. I just use it for optimal binary compatibility with games.

Outside of my HTPC and VMs, I run Linux exclusively. I haven't touched MP3 or BF3 since I played through their singleplayer - sure, they were both great games, and one of them has great multiplayer - but I don't feel like touching Windows just to play it. I haven't booted my Windows VM for gaming in months, and the only reason I'm on Windows on my laptop right now is because I forgot my other SSD.
    
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Just run Windows. Linux isn't gonna do what you want it to do.

Any supporting evidence for your argument?

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Sony Vegas doesn't work properly through wine, and most notably will lack full hardware acceleration. It'd be more appropriate to use a Linux native video editing suite. As far as the other questions... You won't be touching EXE's outside of WINE ever again. You don't simply go "Oh hey, I want Firefox lemme go download the installer from their website." Instead you go to whatever software management utility your distro uses and search "Firefox" and click "Install" its pretty neat how much easier that is in practice. On the note of games however, it really depends. Several titles still elude me on Linux, and I fire up a Windows VM with VGA passthrough to play them, for example, Max Payne 3 and Battlefield 3... Furthermore Wine has VERY broken controller support so games like Castle Crashers and DmC are frustrating to play. For my games that are played best with a controller, I prefer playing them on a TV anyways, so I use my currently Windows based HTPC to play them - it doesn't even run Windows explorer though. I just use it for optimal binary compatibility with games.

Outside of my HTPC and VMs, I run Linux exclusively. I haven't touched MP3 or BF3 since I played through their singleplayer - sure, they were both great games, and one of them has great multiplayer - but I don't feel like touching Windows just to play it. I haven't booted my Windows VM for gaming in months, and the only reason I'm on Windows on my laptop right now is because I forgot my other SSD.

Off topic, but why not use a stream on linux for your htpc if controller support is to limited on wine? Are those kind of games few and far between?

@op

Do you know how on android and ios you have an app store. This a terrible example because the insides of unix style package managment and its packages work in a completely different way, but to the new end user you can think like that for now. Everything is stored and downloaded from a repository, from one place, be it the command line or a frount end like the ubuntu app store, you can search, browse, and update, everything, all at once. Installed packages from the internet is a last resource if you want something. Ten to one, everything is in the repos or another repo you can add. Keep it in the repos and the package manager can track and update everything for you, with one command, or even in the background should you prefer.
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@jrl - the particular titles I wish to play with controllers aren't available for Linux yet, so I made a compromise, XBMC as my shell and a bunch of hackish scripts and programs so I never see any portion of windows it works for now.
    
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You can still have linux with you to try, play with, even with your Windows lightweight gamer. There are a number of distros you can boot off a thumb drive or flash drive. Get a couple 4G flash drives, and put a few linux distros on them, like ubuntu, puppy, etc. Boot your computer off the flash drive, and you will have fully functional linux. I used to use one specifically designed to help fix Windows drives, but can't remember the name.
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The responses have really helped smile.gif

And I did more research into it. Linux is gunna be a great tool for me to toy around with, learn to code a bit better... Thanks for all the input again.
 
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