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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

The only reason to clock them that low is to keep it below a 690. If it was clocked as the 690 is I believe it would be faster then it.
There's another reason as well, it's called TDP

This post needs to be read by more people, it's very good thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

GK110 has been around for a while, it's not new. And it's not a new architecture. It's GK104 with more shaders and more memory bandwidth.

K20 and K20x are both GK110 based cards.

K20x has 75% more shaders than GTX 680. K20 has 62% more shaders than GTX 680.

GTX 680 has 192GB/s memory bandwidth. Anandtech isn't listing the bandwidth for K20 and K20x in their review, but we can calculate it with this formula: (Memory Clock) x [(Memory Interface) / 8] x 2

Both K20 Teslas have 249GB/s (less than 7970 @ 264GB/s, 7970 Ghz Edition has 288GB/s). That is a 30% increase in memory bandwidth over GTX 680.

I don't want to rain on everyone's parade here, but there's no way Titan is going to be faster than GTX 690. +30% memory bandwidth and +62% shader power is a lot less than what you gain from getting two GTX 680s, or two 7970s.

And look, I hate to be honest but in a strictly memory bandwidth limited situation, a 7970 Ghz edition is going to beat Titan. Those situations are rare, but they do exist and if someone had an agenda in a review they could easily make 7970 look better. I'm not buying this hype at all. If Titan costs more than GTX 690 it's going to be a complete disaster in where Nvidia offers less performance for more price.

Titan is just Nvidia blowing smoke because we're coming up on a year from GTX 680 release and there's no news about Maxell at all. The only news we have is Maxwell in 2014 on 20nm.
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

I was waiting for one of these posts.

Please, tell me how 249GB/s is going to out perform 288GB/s. GK110 secret sauce is that it doesn't obey the laws of physics?
I claimed that the situations would be rare, and I would expect the gap between 7970 GE and Titan to close significantly if you were to run something like a 3 monitor setup with MSAA. Titan will definitely have more shader power, but considering the difference between GTX 670 and GTX 680 we shall see.

Keep your laws to yourself. You are comparing two different architectures, with different shader counts and claiming your 7970 will outperform a Titan? you didn't even see its performance, you are mere speculating and you don't want your 7970 to got beat handily by a refresh, the rest of your post just says that, oh yeah... bandwidth starved GTX 690, bandwidth starved GTX 680... etc . Give me a break rolleyes.gif...
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Originally Posted by sdlvx View Post

GTX 670 is just GTX 680 with an SMX cluster disabled and the same bandwidth, and they both perform the same. Do you know why? Because the card is bandwidth starved.
http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=677&card2=667

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-660-ti-memory-bandwidth-anti-aliasing,3283-13.html

7870 with less bandwidth out performing GTX 670 (and GTX 680 as they have the same memory bandwidth) at 8xAA is Nvidia having superior memory architecture? Are you even aware that Nvidia's weak point has nearly always been their memory controller? Why do you think Nvidia constantly is releasing cards with GDDR5 lower clocked that maximum? Because their memory controllers are not that good. They got a lot better with Kepler but they're still inferior. 7870 should not be beating a $500 GTX 680 at any time in any benchmark, yet it's happening.

I can't wait for the benchmarketing. I'm imagining benchmark suite that rivals the bandwidth needed of 8xAA Batman and everyone creaming themselves as the bandwidth starved GTX 690 performing worse than 7870 with each GK104 is slaughtered by Titan, when in realitity it's actually slower.

And if you really want me to blow your mind, the 30% and 62% numbers all come with assuming Titan is running the same clocks as GTX 680 for core/shaders.

Who really care about 7870 beating the GTX 670 with everything on Low? now crank the settings up and the 670 will spank the 7870.
Also the GTX 680 is faster clock-for-clock then the GTX 670. you just contradicted with your so-called law of physics.
Saying a 7970 will beat a Titan due to higher bandwidth is the same as saying an FX 8350 will beat an i7 3970X due to more cores. On the other hand the i7 3970X mercilessly cream all over the FX 8350.
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Originally Posted by Cloudfire777 View Post

Am I the only one who think everything on this chart make sense?
TDP against GTX 690 seems legit considering the core count and clocks.
Price too sounds reasonable but I still see it at $799. That remains to be seen.
Also the performance on the first post in this thread make sense. Titan score 10% less than 690 and it have 10% less cores.


Yeah I agree with you. thumb.gif

Tesla k20x has a 384 bit bus. You can't just change that. That chart is wrong
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Am I the only one who think everything on this chart make sense? Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Yes. Well at least with what's presented.
690 having 256 ROPs. LOL. Even though I'm sure the graph just mixed the numbers up.
Also there's no GK110 with a 512-bit bus. It doesn't exist.

Edit: I especially doubt the clocks. the K20x, the most expensive Tesla, is clocked at 732MHz with a TDP of 235W. How can they get another 200MHz with 15W using worse dies?
Edited by Sapientia - 2/10/13 at 2:34pm
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^Disregard the 512bit bus and the ROPs. Everything else
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Do tell me how a 580 performs worse than a 680 in every scenario I've ever seen despite hawing higher memory bandwidth than the 680.
The 580 has identical theoretical memory bandwidth to the 680, but while the theoreticals may be identical, the fact is that Fermi's memory controller is broken.
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it's understandable why the titan 780 whatevers price is so high, Nvidia has a lot of money to recoup for the failed dies that they had to pay for during fabrication of gk104/gk110.

but still 900 dollars? 8800 ultra, we meet again.
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Following your last posts and your post history i can say the same of you avidly defending Nvidia as if it's the holy grail, for all you and i know this could turn out to be another horrible shamble that the 480 was, Hot, Power hungry and in quad sli capable of destroying motherboards due to power draw going way out of specification, You forget that if this is 1000+ you can get two 7970s and have greater performance and in some countries this will be 1500+ You can get 3 7970s or 2 680s both of wich will obliterate it, Stop fanboying/whiteknighting it doesn't suite well.

Let's get back to what you said earlier and stop the name calling babble.

You said the chart shows the 7970 ghz score as lower than what it should be.
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I call fake, my 7970s score higher then that.

I'm still calling fake as just one of my 7970's gets a higher score then the one on the graph.

As I stated earlier, their chart is right in line with what I get at stock clocks with a 3570k.

Let's see the proof of your 7970s scoring higher than those in the test at stock.
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The 580 has identical theoretical memory bandwidth to the 680, but while the theoreticals may be identical, the fact is that Fermi's memory controller is broken.

Nowhere does that say the MC is broken. Fermi controller however was extremely bad/failed in terms of the memory clock speeds it could achieve (more about this in anand's 680 review). GK104 on the other hand can do high frequencies without a problem and surprised NV.

If anything the link you posted shows a bunch of non gaming related programs performing differently on different architectures due to design choices of the architectures in question. They even say they're not sure what's the best way of handling things going forwards.
 
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The Titan will NOT be faster then a 690.

It will NOT be faster then 7970's in crossfire. (Non VRAM limited)

It will NOT be faster then 680's in sli. (Non VRAM limited)

It WILL be faster then a 8970.


All of the above I will bet serious money on.
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