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Nice attempt at trolling. Two very distracting vertical lines? You mean the barely perceptible lines? Reflection of myself? Considering at that camera angle I am off to the side of the monitor and it is impossible to see a reflection of myself, you must have extra sensory perception or something. rolleyes.gif

Why exactly are you in a AR film removal thread? If you like sparkly, washed out images with degraded image quality, that is wonderful. Want a cookie?
What does a matte film coating versus gloss have to do with "uneven colors"? I think some people around here are seriously confused.




When I look at that picture, these lines are pretty obvious. Never mind all the less abrupt and/or finer distortions that I couldn't be bothered to draw.

I don't even want to imagine what it looks like when it is lifesize and doesn't have terrible jpeg compression hiding all the details.


So like i said, it's cool that you don't care, but it's pretty darn obvious and distracting. Placing it in front of your windows didn't fix the issue, it just helps it.

As for why I'm here in your glorious AG removal guide master race thread? Because, guess what, it's titled matte vs glossy comparison - as in pros AND cons. You might not care about the cons, but they quite obviously there even if you refuse to acknowledge them.
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Look at the green chair. I'm assuming the darker green is from reflections. That's a huge color shift.

I was checking out your tutorial for the missus. She likes glossy better and was thinking of converting a few of my older matte monitors for her (plus these monitors are going into the basement).

I have nothing against glossy and know some people prefer them. Just find it weird when people contest known downfalls. Glossy monitors reflect ambient light and are finicky to the lightning.

Am I the only one who sees the chair change colors? There's a vertical line where the color just shifts from dark to light. The line seems to happen right after the BBC logo.

You are also looking at an angled photo, on an exceedingly bright day with the blinds open. Adjust the blinds and voila! I wouldn't want to use a computer in a brightly lit room, gloss nor matte. Talk about eye fatigue.

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When I look at that picture, these lines are pretty obvious. Never mind all the less abrupt and/or finer distortions that I couldn't be bothered to draw.

I don't even want to imagine what it looks like when it is lifesize and doesn't have terrible jpeg compression hiding all the details.


So like i said, it's cool that you don't care, but it's pretty darn obvious and distracting. Placing it in front of your windows didn't fix the issue, it just helps it.

As for why I'm here in your glorious AG removal guide master race thread? Because, guess what, it's titled matte vs glossy comparison - as in pros AND cons. You might not care about the cons, but they quite obviously there even if you refuse to acknowledge them.

Con(s)? You mean con. Name one thing besides AR that a matte film improves versus gloss? Zero. If you are so willing to give up overall image quality in order to use your display in a non-light controlled environment, more power to you. wink.gif
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post #53 of 89
Awesome thread! Reminds me of when I did my U2412M about a year ago. Still running strong, and still looks a hell of a lot more beautiful then it did with that AG coating. thumb.gif

I however, did not have a test run and went in 50% blind when doing the removal (Having never taken a monitor apart before..) but after about 6-7 hours of waiting, soaking, waiting, soaking, waiting and peeling the after-results were totally worth it.

Either way, awesome thread. tongue.gif

Edit - I normally have the living room light on or a lamp next/behind me when I'm using the PC and it doesn't effect me at all. The only time it even makes a difference is if the screen is pitch black then I can see myself. Also have a window to the left, weird. A little bit of glare vs a grainy/washed picture? I'll take the glare thumb.gif

Edit #2 - It's all about PERSONAL preference. cheers.gif
Edited by Dustin1 - 2/20/13 at 7:45pm
 
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A great comparison there Vega. A colleague of mine 'semi-stripped' a U2311H in this way and the comparison was stark. In your example the matte film is much lighter than that used on the U2311H and you can still see differences (even in images of the monitor). It was the U2311H semi-strip comparison and some experience with various monitors of different haze value that drove me to write this piece. If people step back and think why a matte surface is able to reduce glare, it's because it diffuses ambient light rather than reflecting it. It does the same to the monitor's own light, of course.
The invisible glass you linked to in your article is pretty amazing

As far as glossy and matte... I've used a Kindle Fire which is glossy and my eyes hurt after a while because of reflections (it supposedly has anti-reflective coating which I find doesn't work), that's why anti-glare is the lesser of two evils for me.

When I used CRTs I had the screen filter thing (like http://www.shop3m.com/98044049132.html , but with the static discharge cable).

There's a ton of screenprotectors for mobile phones and tablets... no reason they couldn't get them made for monitors, right?
(see 3M Natural View Screen Protectors )
Edited by AlphaC - 2/20/13 at 7:56pm
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That's nice. You also have two very distracting glare lines cutting (mostly) vertically across your panel.

Oh, and what's that? the reflection of yourself and everything behind you? yup



It's cool that you don't care and all, but obviously enough of us do that display manufacturers spend the extra time, effort, and cost to slap on a AG film in the first place. Personally, I find it kinda ironic that people complain about AG film messing with image quality, but are perfectly fine having an additional reflective image superimposed over everything (best case scenario), or even huge blinding glare spots completely blocking out half of the image (most setups I've seen).

The best case is an additional image superimposed over everything? Making conclusions from your own personal feelings and opinions and generalizing them to global facts is just naive and misleading.

Some people prefer matte due to its advantages (far easier maintenance, persistent colour in a wide range of lighting situations) and to manufacturers such convenience makes obvious business sense, especially when dealing with a user that doesn't know what they are missing. Others prefer glossy due to much clearer/purer colours, brightness and vibrancy, I can understand views coming from the facts but if you don't have anything except strong opinions just keep them to yourself or portray them as what they are - your own opinions (clearly in this case from what can only be very limited experience)
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HOLY CRAP!!! I NEVER KNEW THERE WAS SUCH A DIFFERENCE!!!

Okay...I am now going to sell my monitor and find a glossy panel.

Seriously the difference in clarity is just incredible.

Thank-you for this and thanks for forcing me to spend more money tongue.gif
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I use a glossy Auria display, with a lamp behind my right shoulder. I don't notice the glare AT ALL when an image is on the screen. Pure black screen (no light being emitted) it's visible. Glossy isn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be. Now? I wouldn't want to use anything but. The image is absolutely impeccable.
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Sooooo.................pro tip here.....don't do this when you are watching the kids. I had the 10 month old hanging off my leg/holding her in my one arm while i attempted to do this. In my fatherly stupor soaked the wrong side of the screen......removed a layer, noted that it was very clear and didn't think it would make much anti glare difference....proceeded to put the monitor back together before realizing i had soaked/removed the wrong side lol. Now I'm soaking the correct side......the layer that came off the other side was pretty damn clear.....I don't know if actually serves a function but I doubt it (other than protection). I will now proceed to drink more beer and laugh at myself in hopes that I didn't smoke the monitor. LOL.
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Sooooo.................pro tip here.....don't do this when you are watching the kids. I had the 10 month old hanging off my leg/holding her in my one arm while i attempted to do this. In my fatherly stupor soaked the wrong side of the screen......removed a layer, noted that it was very clear and didn't think it would make much anti glare difference....proceeded to put the monitor back together before realizing i had soaked/removed the wrong side lol. Now I'm soaking the correct side......the layer that came off the other side was pretty damn clear.....I don't know if actually serves a function but I doubt it (other than protection). I will now proceed to drink more beer and laugh at myself in hopes that I didn't smoke the monitor. LOL.

Uh, what? headscratch.gif

Are you saying you lifted the LCD screen up off the back-light and removed the polarizer from that side? If you removed the polarizer from the backside of the LCD panel, the monitor will not function. Not to mention all of the dirt and debris introduced into the image. eek.gif

(But I think you are pulling our leg). wink.gif
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Yeah, I tried looking for the 'glare' in the image Zero keeps quoting, but I'm just not seeing it. If we were standing there in real life that might be different, but we're both looking at the same picture. I don't see any of that, even with the lines outlining what's being seen...

Matte screens don't introduce or remove color shift. The chair being a different shade of green would have nothing to do with the matte screen being removed.
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