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My 2500k needs 1.41v for 4.6, i can boot into windows at 5ghz with 1.5v but it instantly crashes when i open prime.



BTW, does anyone offer de-lidding services on this forum? I live near a microcenter and a 3770k is looking quite appealing right now.
Oh come on, I am just some random middle aged guy and I delidded two 3770k without any problems.

But seriously, if you can afford another chip if you mess up I highly recommend delidding. I am running 5.0 24/7 now because of it. The guys on the delidding thread can walk you through it.
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With all due respect I have a different opinion. I don't believe that for a second and there is not one piece of actual evidence to back it up. I will be putting it to an actual scientific test, we will see what happens in a year or two. There is a difference, however, between people planning to upgrade or replace their chip within two or three years and others who want 0% chance of degradation for six years.

I don't consider 12 hours on Prime95 stable, I have seen way too many failures after the 12 hour mark.

The quote was from reggiesanchez, another benchmarker.
I think the same way, for some people 12 hours of prime 95 is just a complete waste of time. For the 'let alone a good one' we're benchers, good cpus are for overclocking & not for stress testing. I'll run some IBT to test a less than great cpu but my best samples never see any stress testing.
    
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The quote was from reggiesanchez, another benchmarker.
I think the same way, for some people 12 hours of prime 95 is just a complete waste of time. For the 'let alone a good one' we're benchers, good cpus are for overclocking & not for stress testing. I'll run some IBT to test a less than great cpu but my best samples never see any stress testing.

I usually burn my final OC for 30min on Prime95. If it can handle that w/o issue, then it can handle any game I may throw at it along with any program for the most part, & that's all I need it to do. I don't see many things pinning my CPU at 100% for very long. If I did folding or something I would probably run it longer.
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The quote was from reggiesanchez, another benchmarker.
I think the same way, for some people 12 hours of prime 95 is just a complete waste of time. For the 'let alone a good one' we're benchers, good cpus are for overclocking & not for stress testing. I'll run some IBT to test a less than great cpu but my best samples never see any stress testing.
I would guess we are all in agreement, that it completely depends on what you use your chip for, and what longevity you expect to get out of it. I can't imagine running complex theoretical fair value models with multiple stochastic variables on a volatility surface with a chip that I haven't done everything within reason to assure its stability. You wouldn't do what I do, I wouldn't do what you do, but we have different goals so that is OK.

But I will say again, that someone needs to show me actual proof that running Prime95 for 12 to 24 hours, measurably degrades your chip in short order.
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Oh come on, I am just some random middle aged guy and I delidded two 3770k without any problems.

But seriously, if you can afford another chip if you mess up I highly recommend delidding. I am running 5.0 24/7 now because of it. The guys on the delidding thread can walk you through it.

I cant decide if i wanna delid a 3770k or wait for haswell lol. What i would actually do is buy a 2700k but my microcenter has been out of them for a month or so. Im gonna head over to the delid forum now and see how involved a process it is.
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Chips usually do degrade a slight bit with very little use, I generally think of it as 'breaking in' more than degrading. The first time you overclock a chip it may do xxxxMhz at x.xxV, even without too much use it will soon need slightly higher voltage or slightly less clock.
I think almost every chip I've had does it's very best new out of the box, & that doesn't last too long, even with light use. Then it settles & unless heavily tortured tends to stay the same for a long time afterwards.

I do agree that heavy stability testing is more necessary for some than others, I change hardware & reinstall OSes enough that testing stability for more than a couple hours gets to be a waste, for people who depend on a machine for work & important tasks it becomes more crucial.
I've also done all the stability testing & long prime runs when I was new here, & over time have been able to figure out shortcuts that work for me.
    
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Chips usually do degrade a slight bit with very little use, I generally think of it as 'breaking in' more than degrading. The first time you overclock a chip it may do xxxxMhz at x.xxV, even without too much use it will soon need slightly higher voltage or slightly less clock.
I think almost every chip I've had does it's very best new out of the box, & that doesn't last too long, even with light use. Then it settles & unless heavily tortured tends to stay the same for a long time afterwards.

I do agree that heavy stability testing is more necessary for some than others, I change hardware & reinstall OSes enough that testing stability for more than a couple hours gets to be a waste, for people who depend on a machine for work & important tasks it becomes more crucial.
I've also done all the stability testing & long prime runs when I was new here, & over time have been able to figure out shortcuts that work for me.
I completely understand, and sincerely appreciate the information. I am here to learn after all. I will be running 24 hour Prime95 tests every once in awhile to check the pace of my degradation, and I assume there will be a little. So over the next couple years I could do hundreds upon hundreds of hours of Prime95 testing. I think that will answer the question as to whether my chip degrades a lot or a little.
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I cant decide if i wanna delid a 3770k or wait for haswell lol. What i would actually do is buy a 2700k but my microcenter has been out of them for a month or so. Im gonna head over to the delid forum now and see how involved a process it is.
Someone said that Haswell will be using TIM like Ivy. What if it benefits from delidding too? From what I hear, Haswell is not a significant step performance wise over Ivy.

But anyway, delidding just takes rubber gloves, a good sharp razor blade, and time to go very slow and steady. Then you put Coollabs Ultra on the die and watch your temps drop. Cleaning the PCB is the only pain in the butt part in my opinoin.
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Im expecting haswell to be slightly faster than ivy was to sandy (like 15%). But the main reason i am contemplating waiting is i am going to build a mini-itx build and if my suspicions stay true we are going to see a wider selection of the high end mini-itx motherboards for haswell (z77 has two good ones, asrock and asus). But on the other hand i just got my taxes back and i have no idea if i can hold onto this money for 4-6 months lol.
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Someone said that Haswell will be using TIM like Ivy. What if it benefits from delidding too? From what I hear, Haswell is not a significant step performance wise over Ivy.

But anyway, delidding just takes rubber gloves, a good sharp razor blade, and time to go very slow and steady. Then you put Coollabs Ultra on the die and watch your temps drop. Cleaning the PCB is the only pain in the butt part in my opinoin.

When the delidding thread took off I was pushing the cooling a bit more for this reason. Delidding does help the ivy temps, but it didn't really matter to me since I had the cooling from previous processors to still get ivy well over 5Ghz, & can use it for new cpus that haven't come out yet. I delidded a couple 3770s to try it out anyway but still clock my non-delidded chips higher (still have to try out the current delidded chip with other pastes).
Most guys don't want to dabble with chilled water, phase & things that may require insulating a board, but for those who really like to push the clocks it gets more worthwhile.
    
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