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My wife is growing her photography business quite rapidly, and it's time for a build. I've been out of the scene for a little bit and things change fast so give this a look please. Photoshop, Lightroom, Movies, maybe some WoW on her down time wink.gif I need a few suggestions, here's what I got so far:

Motherboard: Undecided. Both of these seem like good choices: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157295 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157299 This may be her computer, but I'll likely overclock it for her to make sure those components do what they're darn told.

CPU: what else...3770K: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501 For cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018 and Mounting: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835242019 (I don't know why this ended up in many of my wish lists but it must have been based on some research I've done in the past saying this was good)

Ram: Desire 16GB WHERE IS MY SAMSUNG RAM?! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 Is this anywhere else to be found in the states? I found some and then found out it was 204PIN? Where has this great RAM gone? If it is no longer to be found, please recommend replacement.

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015 I know I know it's stupid overkill, but it's not that much more and honestly I'd rather have something I can swap around years down the road if I have to or let a friend borrow or whatever. Been burned by PSUs in the past and I don't mind spending an extra 25-40 bucks overkilling this vital component.

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125414 This is where I think I'm spending too much. Still confused what kind of graphic processing power she'll need to maximize this build. I don't want it lacking, I want Photoshop and Lightroom pushed like never before, and I want her to display every color her monitor can simulate. However, there's mixed messages out there on how much these programs will actually utilize the GPU. I chose this one for the extra VRAM, which makes sense in my head, but help me not waste money here. I can always give her my 6850 and upgrade mine, just as long as it's not underpowering.

Case: Got one laying around.

Drives: Been going with a lot of WD Blacks and Crucial M4s lately. Going to stick with those and already have a few lying around for the build.

Mouse and keyboard I'll take care of...

Monitor: Oh God, I don't know where to start. I don't want to spend a fortune. But I know very little about what a photographer would look for in a monitor. Are there some that can reproduce CMYK colors better, some that are easier to calibrate to the printer, what do I even look for? Is there a highly recommended monitor, something like 22-23" in the 125-150.00 price range? Heeeelp!

Accessories and Misc: (Couple of these I'm sneaking in for mine lol!) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817997018 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817998185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820176021 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204


Will that cover everything she would want or need? What else can we think of, how can I perfect this build? Please advise, I have cake standing by for good helpers.
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Asrock extreme 6 is more than enough for your mobo. I currently run an OCd 2700k on my Z77 extreme4 and I have 0 issues. thumb.gif

3770k is a great chip. Maybe look at an h80 cooler as an alternate to NHD14, thats a personal choice and depends on case. The Noctua is a known performer.

The samsung ram can usually be found on amazon as well as newegg.

I would go with a Rosewill capstone series for the PSU, just as good of quality as the corsair for much less. 750W is overkill. you could power that rig with a quality 450 watt psu.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182264
Also it is heavily discounted currently.

For what she needs a 7950 is probably overkill, However, a 7870 is not much cheaper. I would either go 7850 or just stick with the 7950. I love both of mine biggrin.gif


All in all a very nice build! Good Luck
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That card might be great for a gamer but for your wife's needs I wonder if you've looked at NVidia and Cuda, or read up on the Quadros even?

To really do it right for a photographers monitor you'd probably want a high res 2560 x 1440 and some color calibration hardware, at which point you'll be looking at over a $K. I don't have any good reccomendations for an 'intro' monitor.
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Looks good to me. thumb.gif

The only things I'd change are the motherboard and PSU.

For less than both the ASRock boards you can pick up a Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H which happens to be much better built and has much higher quality components (specially in the VRM).

And like you even said, that PSU is tremendous overkill. Being on the safe side doesn't mean you need to get a higher wattage unit. If you must spend that much on a PSU I'd get a Platinum unit. At least that way you save a few bucks more on your electric bill. But your system needs nowhere near 860W.

I'd suggest a Seasonic SS-660XP.

I'd also recommend the Rosewill Tachyon series, but they're not on sale now and the Seasonic is top-notch anyways.
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Everything listed there is overkill. Lightroom doesn't do GPU acceleration, but a snappy drive will make a world of difference for it. Photoshop CS6 only uses openCL this time. CS5 uses CUDA and OpenCL. So your old 6850 would be more than optimal for it. No need spending $300 for something she won't even notice.

Amount of RAM, HDD/SSD speed is what would matter most for photo editing rig. Today's CPUs, even low end by our standards, are still well suited for the job.

Edit: You would be looking for IPS monitors. The other types of panel would cost more than the rig. Thankfully LG had been churning out IPS monitors left and right causing a prevalence of them. So they are fairly cheap, a bit more than your standard TN. Multimonitors is where this would shine.
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Also, I'd actually advise against going with the Samsung Wonder Ram.

Since this build is for your wife, I'm assuming she'll want the utmost stability. That Samsung ram is really only worth it if you're planning on doing some heavy overclocking. Otherwise it's just a regular DDR3 1600 kit with really loose timings. And for a build that requires rock solid stability, I personally wouldn't overclock the ram. Simply because it gives you absolutely no noticeable performance increase and may cause data corruption if unstable.

Instead I'd go with this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231477

Or this 16GB kit: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231568
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I'll consider bumping the PSU down, but like I said, I switch parts sometimes and the price really isn't all that different. I like the platinum idea with lower wattage for the same price, I'll look into that. But I'm over-all pretty comfortable PSU-wise.


I don't know what calibration hardware is, but that's a sad thing to hear that I'd need to invest a grand in it. Honestly not gonna happen. She'll make more money putting that into advertising and lenses. Thank you aks for the information. Looks like I'll price some IPS monitors.

About that Gigabyte board, are you certain that's a better choice than the ASrock professional? I see it thrown around a lot but remember this isn't a pure overclock bencher...and the AsRock is no slouch. 16 + 8 Power Phase, plus (6) SATA 6Gb/s ports and (6) USB3.0 ports vs (2) and (2), respectively. Those are features she'll actually use with RAW files nomnomnoming hard drives and such. I'm not sold.

Bill, I don't know much about CUDA but that's the exact kind of stuff I see thrown around a lot but then there's opinions from both sides. Some say you need it, and that Nvidia cards perform better in photoshop, others say photoshop is CPU driven and only uses very little of the GPU anyway and it will never make a noticeable difference. Already on this thread there's conflicting information. I'm not sure if what I read is right or wrong, so I've come here for advice. What would I need for a GPU to maximize efficiency without wasting money? Is there an end-all rock solid answer on this yet?

Lastly, I really didn't think about corruption and such with the RAM, and yes, that's probably good advice. Now the question is, will I notice a speed difference using these programs running 1600 ram as opposed to what these motherboards and latest gen CPUs are able to do? I mean they list 2800....that seems like a lot more than 1600 to me, and seems like a lot of MHz to miss out on.
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I'll consider bumping the PSU down, but like I said, I switch parts sometimes and the price really isn't all that different. I like the platinum idea with lower wattage for the same price, I'll look into that. But I'm over-all pretty comfortable PSU-wise.


I don't know what calibration hardware is, but that's a sad thing to hear that I'd need to invest a grand in it. Honestly not gonna happen. She'll make more money putting that into advertising and lenses. Thank you aks for the information. Looks like I'll price some IPS monitors.

About that Gigabyte board, are you certain that's a better choice than the ASrock professional? I see it thrown around a lot but remember this isn't a pure overclock bencher...and the AsRock is no slouch. 16 + 8 Power Phase, plus (6) SATA 6Gb/s ports and (6) USB3.0 ports vs (2) and (2), respectively. Those are features she'll actually use with RAW files nomnomnoming hard drives and such. I'm not sold.

Bill, I don't know much about CUDA but that's the exact kind of stuff I see thrown around a lot but then there's opinions from both sides. Some say you need it, and that Nvidia cards perform better in photoshop, others say photoshop is CPU driven and only uses very little of the GPU anyway and it will never make a noticeable difference. Already on this thread there's conflicting information. I'm not sure if what I read is right or wrong, so I've come here for advice. What would I need for a GPU to maximize efficiency without wasting money? Is there an end-all rock solid answer on this yet?

Lastly, I really didn't think about corruption and such with the RAM, and yes, that's probably good advice. Now the question is, will I notice a speed difference using these programs running 1600 ram as opposed to what these motherboards and latest gen CPUs are able to do? I mean they list 2800....that seems like a lot more than 1600 to me, and seems like a lot of MHz to miss out on.

I wouldn't overclock the rig at all. It may be stable in seemingly every way, but there is still that chance. Photoshop is very RAM intensive if editing multiple photos in RAW, or even just large files. Unless she plans on making a 12 hour graphic designing job, a 6850 wouldn't be utilized to its full potential. CUDA is really handy to render things much faster and even real time. This would mostly be suited for video editing and special effects where you need the speed to be efficient.

It's more about the amount than the speed. Plus some of that RAM is just overclocked from the factory. They just add an SPD profile. Though they would be more stable at lower speeds since they are binned.

Any quad core should do. Hell even a quad core AMD APU would tackle PS and LR with ease. A scratch disk helps with speed too. Basically it acts as a buffer.
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About that Gigabyte board, are you certain that's a better choice than the ASrock professional? I see it thrown around a lot but remember this isn't a pure overclock bencher...and the AsRock is no slouch. 16 + 8 Power Phase, plus (6) SATA 6Gb/s ports and (6) USB3.0 ports vs (2) and (2), respectively. Those are features she'll actually use with RAW files nomnomnoming hard drives and such. I'm not sold.

From a quality perspective, I'd say the Gigabyte is absolutely a better choice. And not just from an overclocking perspective; this is the quality of the components we're talking about. The number of phases you can count on a motherboard shouldn't be the deciding factor of a board's performance; the quality of the components matter much more than that. And aside from the fact that I personally don't like ASRock's deceptive marketing with their "Hybrid-Digital" PWMs when they're really analog, Gigabyte simply has better components all around.

The Extreme6 for example has a true 4+1 phase analog PWM that's been doubled to 8 phases. And the Professional has a true 5+1 phase analog PWM that uses doublers to get to the 20 phases you see advertised.

The Gigabyte on the other hand has a true 6+2 phase digital PWM, and the quality is top notch. So while the ASrocks may appear to be more powerful, I'd honestly take the Gigabyte day of the week.

If the number of SATA ports is an issue, I'd recommend the Z77X-UD5H.

In the VRM department you get a very similar 6+2 phase digital PWM found on the UD3H, except this one has been doubled to 12. You also get better onboard audio and 5 SATA 6Gb/s ports.
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Ditch the AMD card.
Get a 660 or so.
CUDA support, and its still plenty for gaming.

Also, get a real monitor.
I wouldnt get anything less than a Dell U2412M, and preferably I would get something like a U27xx monitor.
Color accuracy is going to be REALLY important for her.
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