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And if you must go overkill on the PSU biggrin.gif, I'd go with the Corsair AX760.

It's a bit cheaper than the 860 you listed originally (on sale) and is 80-Plus Platinum certified.
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For monitors I would check out :

This site for reviews:

TFT Central

And these forums for help:

http://www.overclock.net/f/44/monitors-and-displays

http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78

Good luck, finding the right monitor can be tricky. But as someone here stated earlier, Dell is great, and I know Eizo has a lot of very good screens for photography and stuff like that.
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I wouldn't overclock the rig at all. It may be stable in seemingly every way, but there is still that chance. Photoshop is very RAM intensive if editing multiple photos in RAW, or even just large files. Unless she plans on making a 12 hour graphic designing job, a 6850 wouldn't be utilized to its full potential. CUDA is really handy to render things much faster and even real time. This would mostly be suited for video editing and special effects where you need the speed to be efficient.

It's more about the amount than the speed. Plus some of that RAM is just overclocked from the factory. They just add an SPD profile. Though they would be more stable at lower speeds since they are binned.

Any quad core should do. Hell even a quad core AMD APU would tackle PS and LR with ease. A scratch disk helps with speed too. Basically it acts as a buffer.

If he decides not to overclock, would he be better off with an E3-1230 V2?

From my understanding, it's basically an i7 3770 minus the unlocked multi and integrated graphics. And almost $100 cheaper.
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I'm a graphic artist, as well as obviously a computer enthusiast, so hopefully I can give you some useful info here on what will help in the real world, and not just want gamers want wink.gif


Go for the cheaper motherboard. It's already overkill, and aesthetically it looks a heck of a lot nicer (hey, shes a photographer right? wink.gif)

You can never ever have enough RAM for this stuff. If you cant source Samsung stuff, get something with tight timings and high capacities. High frequency is nice and all, but keep it in check with price.

As far as accessories, a DVD or even Bluray burner is real nice for artists and photogtaphers - lets us burn disposable digital copies of portfolios, etc.

Card Reader is a 100% MUST - but don't cheap out. Get a nice one. If shes anything like myself (when I'm actually doing photography), shes gonna be sticking a card in there a few times every single day. Cheap readers will give out after so many insertions. Poor durability contacts, etc.

GPU - Ditch AMD and pick up a Nvidia. I don't like it either, but some of these programs use CUDA. I'd suggest a mid range 600 or a high end 500 series. It would be awesome if you could do both (or a new quadro), to be strong with both CUDA and raw compute, but that's probably not an option.

Data drives - She will love you forever if you can give her 2 SSDs and 2 large platter drives. 1 SSD for the OS, one for all the editing software and their swapfiles, and the two large platters in RAID-1 for storage. Make sure you set everything up so files stay organized.

She probably won't even be using a mouse. If she's even slightly serious, she has a wacom tablet. I'm assuming she is if shes building a rig just for this. If she does use a mouse though, shes gonna want something with perfect tracking at low DPI. Not a single other thing matters. Intellemouse 3.0, deathadder, something along those lines. DPI

Keyboard on the other hand, she will be using quite a bit. I'd suggest getting her a tactile mechanical board. Cherry clears if you can find them, otherwise browns.



And now for the most important factor - Monitors! Yes, plural. She wants at least 2, even if the second one is a total piece of trash. If you can put all your toolbars, buttons, and other GUI stuff off on a secondary monitor, that allows you to work with your image in border-less fullscreen on the primary screen. I cannot even begin to tell you how important this is!

Now, while the secondary panel can be just about anything if need be, the primary panel MUST be a IPS panel. There might be one or two economically viable alternatives, but it's doubtful you will be able to source a high end VA or CRT (and even if you do, she will probably kick you in the nads for it) so lets just focus on IPS.

Unless she is working in a room with absolutely no lights, an AG coating is a must. Might not be popular around this forum for personal use, but it matters for imaging, trust me.

If a Dell Ultra Sharp is within budget, I'd suggest going with one. Preferably a 2560x1600. Ezio is great too, but stupid overpriced (even more so than the dells... speaking of dells, if she is a college student (or anyone you know is) you can get huge student discounts). If you really need to skimp on the monitor, pick up one of those korean panels from microcenter, monoprice, or ebay. Their colors kind of suck, as do their 16:9 aspect ratio, and they aren't adjustable, but they're STILL better for this kind of work than any TN panel. Do pick one with an AG coating though. There are other decent IPS panels that are in between the Korean panels and the ultra sharps in both price and quality. If you are looking at that price range, there are plenty of people on this forum who know more about individual panels than I do. I suggest making a thread about it specifically if needed.
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Okay...getting this together. I found this monitor and I think I like it better than the dell ultrasharp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236310 I like it because it has dual HDMI (Kids in the house too, and she will probably hook something else to it at some point in time) built in sound (quality isn't important in this area, convenience is), and because the slim sides spell out a good upgrade opportunity to a second one in the future. Still looking but this is what I've landed on so far. Budget doesn't allow for a 600 dollar monitor, albeit its importance.

I will also go ahead and switch to higher quality, lower watts on the PSU end using your recommendation Shift: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139042 lol I knew you guys would be all over that PSU from post one. I tried to prevent it, but that's a nope. lol

I like the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545 board a lot better. Your last explanation of it made it clearer that you knew what you were talking about. I'll take your recommendation on this one and go with a company I have absolutely no rapport with. OCN's never let me down before so...

Listen, about the overclocking...I'm buying this hardware for her but someday it might go to me, someday my son might be old enough to want a computer, or I may designate this to an employee that doesn't exist yet...all these unforeseeable future events. Definitely sticking with the overclocking hardware here. Whether I actually overclock it today or not. I don't build anything for a single purpose, life changes, and I build to accommodate.

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Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545

CPU: what else...3770K: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501 For cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018 and Mounting: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835242019 (I don't know why this ended up in many of my wish lists but it must have been based on some research I've done in the past saying this was good)

Ram:16GB of who the heck knows what.

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139042 I welcome your overkill slander! Have at you!

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GPU - Ditch AMD and pick up a Nvidia. I don't like it either, but some of these programs use CUDA. I'd suggest a mid range 600 or a high end 500 series. It would be awesome if you could do both (or a new quadro), to be strong with both CUDA and raw compute, but that's probably not an option.

No need to ditch AMD if using PS CS6. It was more OpenCL oriented this time around in which AMD dominates at compared to nVidia and again LR doesn't have any GPU acceleration.

You can get a refurbed Dell U2312HM for $179. You still need color calibration equipment though. That's more important than the monitor. You don't want her prints coming out a green tint when her screen doesn't show it.

Edit: If you can get another two drives for RAID 0 or an extra SSD for a scratch disk then performance will be increase. Now that's only if she really needs it. So it's not a priority buy.
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Of course, you don't Have to buy everything at once. That's the nice thing about building yourself. I built my rig, with photoshop in mind, in August of 2010. Since then I've added the high res monitor, the second GPU to push the monitor, the Wacom tablet, the software, the SSD's, the additional RAM (plus the speakers and headphones)... by now my rig is a pretty legitimate design workstation for my needs but it's been developing over 2 and a half years.

I don't pretend to have Cuda all figured out, so I just wondered if you had read up on it as I don't think a 7950 is a common recommendation for a PS rig. Nvidias get mentioned much more on account of Cuda, and as has been mentioned, PS 6 may not even use Cuda. Either way though, you don't need a $300 AMD gamer card.

No matter how many opinions you get in your thread, one thing that should be consistent is that PS uses a LOT of RAM. I'll be upping my RAM to 24 GB's the next time I open my case. Have you read about RAM disks? Some people set up RAM disks as PS scratch disks. That's another thing I don't really have a handle on, but you might Google it.. and Kingston HyperX 1600 is Always on sale somewhere.

Something that seems popular on a PS Rig is using 2 SSD's, The first SSD for your OS and Adobe software, the second smaller SSD you use as a scratch disk.

And yeah, professional grade monitors are expensive. I think the Really serious professional grade screens run around $2K... nobody expects you to ever buy one of those, and they aren't critical. The higher res is nice though. You might check out the reviews on the Korean High Res monitors and possibly an intro calibration kit by Spyder or someone.

edit:I posted this after you'd already posted your revised build log. And there are other people on OCN who Rave about the line of MoBo. My Gigabyte has served me really well, also, FWIW.
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Okay...getting this together. I found this monitor and I think I like it better than the dell ultrasharp: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236310 I like it because it has dual HDMI (Kids in the house too, and she will probably hook something else to it at some point in time) built in sound (quality isn't important in this area, convenience is), and because the slim sides spell out a good upgrade opportunity to a second one in the future. Still looking but this is what I've landed on so far. Budget doesn't allow for a 600 dollar monitor, albeit its importance.

I will also go ahead and switch to higher quality, lower watts on the PSU end using your recommendation Shift: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139042 lol I knew you guys would be all over that PSU from post one. I tried to prevent it, but that's a nope. lol

I like the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545 board a lot better. Your last explanation of it made it clearer that you knew what you were talking about. I'll take your recommendation on this one and go with a company I have absolutely no rapport with. OCN's never let me down before so...

Listen, about the overclocking...I'm buying this hardware for her but someday it might go to me, someday my son might be old enough to want a computer, or I may designate this to an employee that doesn't exist yet...all these unforeseeable future events. Definitely sticking with the overclocking hardware here. Whether I actually overclock it today or not. I don't build anything for a single purpose, life changes, and I build to accommodate.

New build:


Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128545

CPU: what else...3770K: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501 For cooling: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608018 and Mounting: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835242019 (I don't know why this ended up in many of my wish lists but it must have been based on some research I've done in the past saying this was good)

Ram:16GB of who the heck knows what.

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139042 I welcome your overkill slander! Have at you!

GPU: Possibly my used 6850 unless someone can prove to me that a better card will be utilized for more than this card will do.

Case: Got one laying around.

Drives: (3) 1GB WD Blacks (1) 256GB Crucial M4

Mouse and keyboard I'll take care of...

Monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236310

Accessories and Misc: (Couple of these I'm sneaking in for mine lol!) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817997018 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817998185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820176021 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204

Forget the paste, noctua's supplied paste is actually very good.

That panel is not better than an ultrasharp, although it is cheaper. I still suggest asking someone who knows more about mid-high range IPS panels rather than just jumping on one blindly.

Why the odd HDD config? She would be much better suited with 2 small SSDs and 2 platter drives. Better performance, less waste, less cost.

Again, CUDA! Lose the AMD card. Nvidia is where it's at for this kind of work. I can batch process 50+ odd images with CUDA in the time it takes to process just one without on similarly speced workstations (one with a quadro, one with a firepro).

Nice mobo, but I don't really see how it will benefit this build. If you're running up against your budget, that's where you should skimp!
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No matter how many opinions you get in your thread, one thing that should be consistent is that PS uses a LOT of RAM. I'll be upping my RAM to 24 GB's the next time I open my case. Have you read about RAM disks? Some people set up RAM disks as PS scratch disks. That's another thing I don't really have a handle on, but you might Google it.. and Kingston HyperX 1600 is Always on sale somewhere.

This is also a good point.

No ramdisk though. silly silly. Why cut your real ram in half to give you faster virtual ram, when you can just use it as real ram in the first place and have an entire SSD of virtual ram if you actually get to the point of needing it?
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Looking great so far. I'm not an expert in the graphics department so I'll stay out of that discussion.

But since I see you're still undecided on the ram, I'll add my 2 cents worth on that.

When it comes to hardware (and other things) I value longevity and durability more than anything. And since I especially dislike having to RMA ram (happened quite a bit to me a couple of years ago) I like to buy ram that lasts a long time. But since there's really no way of knowing how long any kit will last, I just go with the ones I think will have a better shot. So far, the sticks that have lasted me the longest are my low voltage kits. And it makes sense; less volts = less heat, which I'm assuming would lead to a longer lifespan.

So whichever kit of ram you decide to go with, I'd recommend one with the lowest required voltage. Maximum 1.5v, ideally 1.35v.

I don't have any experience with this particular kit, but If I was picking up a new 16GB kit for myself I'd probably go with this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148663
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No need to ditch AMD if using PS CS6. It was more OpenCL oriented this time around in which AMD dominates at compared to nVidia and again LR doesn't have any GPU acceleration.

You can get a refurbed Dell U2312HM for $179. You still need color calibration equipment though. That's more important than the monitor. You don't want her prints coming out a green tint when her screen doesn't show it.

Edit: If you can get another two drives for RAID 0 or an extra SSD for a scratch disk then performance will be increase. Now that's only if she really needs it. So it's not a priority buy.

I didnt know that.
Good news though, as it means getting a 7970 like ive wanted might actually be good for my work and not just my play.
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