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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Who is getting political? We are talking about pricing.

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Well, that is assuming that those that they elected actually ran on this platform and didn't just do this once they got elected. But even if they did run on this platform, at best, all this means is that the person who got the most votes (which may or may not even be 50.1% of them, if there were 3 or more people running) is doing this when the majority of the people of Australia don't support it. It is very conceivable that in a close 3-way election, this policy could be pushed through in a Democracy (or more to the point, a Republic) with just 33.4% of the people voting "for it".

I don't even pretend to know about Australian elections, and I certainly don't know what each one of the politicians who were elected and then appointed the people in office below them (through no direct election) politics.

To me politics don't matter. I am just talking about the system in general. That is the problem with government doing it, as opposed to personal choice.

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Whilst some of what you say would seem to make sense, the fact of the matter still remains. Not just for products from MS, think about buying video games from Steam as an example. How can you justify a 100% markup on a video game delivered via a digital service? Especially when a lot of those developers/publishers have almost no presence in Australia at all (when compared with a company like MS or Apple).

It's just plain and simple price gouging. Also the funny thing is, you mention a tiny market size. Sure compared to the 315million odd US citizens its pretty small, but +/- 23million people isnt a tiny market. Especially in a country where the consumer index is actually quite strong compared to the rest of the developed world for the past 3 years. I do agree that freight costs in Australia are over-priced, largely due to middle-men ripping everyone off (something the government also needs to crack down on). But to say that Australia is a tiny market (when you compare it to European countries such as the Nordic countries that have 5-9mil and a 20-25% VAT tax) is just ridiculous. Granted, we're not a huge market either, but there are MUCH smaller markets out there such as the aforementioned nordic countries, New Zealand, other small European countries. Lets not forget too that EU countries have 20%+ VAT......we have a 10% GST, so there's 10% less tax right there that consumers are paying, but yet we still pay 20-30% more than EU countries for things. How does that work?

Being someone who has spent a lot of time in Sweden, when I see computer components in a country with 25% VAT on them and only a population less than HALF of Australia, I find that absolutely ridiculous. Granted, Australia is almost the size of the entirety of Europe, but given the insane VAT tax rates in the EU, plus the stupidly strict EU laws and regulations (see what is happening with the Mac Pro in the EU atm) I find it ridiculous that I can buy products in Europe for 20%+ cheaper than what I can back in Australia.

We are happy to accept a markup for products as Australia is an expensive country, however as an example, one piece of software from Microsoft was $9000 MORE expensive than in the US.......$9000......how can you justify that? You can get first-classs flights from Sydney to LA for almost $9k. Let alone fly return economy about 4 times.

Also, as mentioned here, the higher costs in Australia do not account for the degree that prices are marked up;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-19/choice-digital-ripoff/4140196

We are plainly and simply being price gouged and thank god the government is trying to do something about it.

Oh sure, I agree completely that the prices in Aus are way too inflated above what they should be for certain products (Adobe especially), but I was quoting and replying to those who seemed to be, incorrectly and somewhat ridiculously, suggesting that there should be no difference in price at all ever for anything.

You are correct that prices on steam are bizarre, but it’s not really an issue because you can just use that steam comparison site and change the country code so that you can buy from wherever you like? At least that was valid a couple of years ago the last time I used steam. And strangely enough, although the majority of the time steam US was the cheapest, there were instances where the Aus or UK sites were the best value.

Also, the point that you make about small European countries being smaller markets than Aus is invalid, because Europe as a whole is ONE market, the EU... I know that you’ve heard of the EU as you mentioned it?!

Lastly, I apologise for casting a slur on the size of your market, but it’s not big regardless of the lighting conditions and viewing angle.
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This is really frustrating. Makes me want to never buy another Adobe product.
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I didn't compare a company to a government, I compared two "monetary charging systems", both of which are dependent on what you owe based on how much money you have.

To compare a company to a government is silly, because if I don't want to give Microsoft, Apple or Adobe my money, I can refuse. If I do the same to the government, they come arrest me and put me in prison.

By this logic i shouldn't have to work 40 hours a week in grueling heat to buy shiney expensive stuff, i should be able to buy everything with a 10cent peice rite? Because it's based on how much i have/worth.


No, Just don't.
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Nevermind.
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dont they understand that most people who use this stuff are students who have no money?
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dont they understand that most people who use this stuff are students who have no money?

and wrong. The greatest demographic is media companies of all kinds.
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and wrong. The greatest demographic is media companies of all kinds.

This.

Not to mention that Apple, Microsoft, and Adobe have educational versions that are available to teachers and students for nearly free.
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knuckle head you are speaking from your own opinion. come live here and"try" out aussie prices.... next time you upgrade your gpu give the retailer 100-200$ extra for no good reason... just one example. come here and pay $400+ for a gtx 660ti. oh no you woulx refuse right and buy from some other cheaper vendor... please tell me who i need a new gpu?
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