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Go Australia! I've never understood this either. They physically live closer to where all of this stuff is manufactured. Why are they paying more?
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Might have something to do with their high VAT taxes and for the case of hardware, near insane electronic regulation/certification process, such as C-tick.

But what ever. Price is what the market will bear, and apparently the UK and AU market will bear those prices. If people in the UK and AU markets didn't pay those prices and used other software, then Microsoft, Apple, and Adobe would be forced to lower their prices there.

Bottom line, the UK and AU government should look in a mirror and at their own people as to the reason why prices are so high.

Disproportionally higher prices in some area mean that competition isn't really working there. In Australia's case it smells of price fixing more than anything else. Can you name a single reason why Steam games for example are priced sky high over there?

Price fixing is not okay any more than a cartel is okay and it's about time the Australian government does something about this.
 
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Ugh, please don't feed the troll. He'll go on a diatribe about how its the consumers fault for allowing price fixing. Regardless of how many times or ways you show he is incorrect.
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50% MORE than the UK? Is that even possible?

I won't vouch for any of these other vendors, but it IS very expensive to ship items down to AUS. I'm not saying that digital offerings should be marked up, but that is indeed the reason for hardware being so expensive.

I suppose if they offered digital at less, and boxed copies at a larger price, everyone would go digital and they would lose the money from those box copies. Only reasons I can think of why they would (legitimately) be more expensive.

Really sucks. I'm going to look at income and such and see if it's even reasonable for these prices, but I highly doubt it...
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For everyone who is jumping on me, think about this.

Maybe the largest single entity buyer of Microsoft, Adobe, and (maybe) Apple products (ie the government) should do something smart for a change ... and actually help to SOLVE the problem, instead of just doing a "shake down for money" while whining about how much money someone else is charging.

Just imagine for a second if the AU and EU governments actually thought this whole thing through for a second. Instead of constantly buying (most likely at typical over paid for prices from government contractors) computers and software that contained Microsoft, Apple and Adobe products and took all that money that they would normally spend on it and invested it in developing OPEN SOURCE versions of programs (ie Linux, Open Office, etc). Sure they would have to keep running Microsoft, Adobe, Apple products for awhile, but if the GOVERNMENT would just say "As of 2015, we will ONLY buy open source programs for non-national defense purposes." and they made it a national priority to develop open source solutions not only for their own countries but the rest of the world as well. Surely if America can do such a program where we planned to land a man on the moon and return them home in 8 years, the EU and AU can MODIFY software that is ALREADY in existence in 2 years.

Just don't upgrade tens of thousands of government computers that are running XP or 7 and Office 2007 for a 2 years, unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. The hundreds of millions of dollars, or maybe even BILLIONS that are spent on closed system products from those 3 companies could be used for the program. When it's done, guess what? The cost per year to maintain and upgrade those systems with the closed sourced programs will be a lot less, thus saving their tax payers money. Also, now that there are better open source programs out there, their people, and all the people of the world would then benefit.

But no, all this silly council will do is waste time and money and basically take the EASY way out and try to extort money from American companies all the while complaining about how greedy they are, when in fact it is those governments, and many people here, who are greedy (because they don't want to pay for stuff that other people put hard work into making) and/or lazy to bite the bullet and go for the LONG TERM SOLUTION.

Oh, I guess there is full employment in the EU and AU right now in the high tech sector, because a program like this would create LOTS of jobs.

So maybe if the EU and AU people would demand a REAL SOLUTION, instead of a band aid and "let's punish someone else and make them pay", life in the long run would be better for ALL.

So please people, try thinking "larger picture" before jumping down my throat.

Rant off.
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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

I won't vouch for any of these other vendors, but it IS very expensive to ship items down to AUS. I'm not saying that digital offerings should be marked up, but that is indeed the reason for hardware being so expensive.

Not to mention electronics in general. I'm sure you can testify the added costs that are involved with trying to comply with multiple electronic standards, in AU it used to be C-Tick, A-Tick, RoHS, and all the other standards that vary from country to country. Our company is having to spend $150,000 just to get 1 product to meet the new Australian standard that is going into effect, and I can say that dealing with the ACMA is not easy in the least. Further, it's not like C-Tick means a whole lot outside of a Australia, so to get compliance in other nations, you have to do additional testing and pay additional costs. Since Australia has their own standards and their market is relatively small, the costs have to get passed on to their customers.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 2/11/13 at 7:12am
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IMO this s bad news. Are the prices too high? Sure, but companies can charge what they want for their products. If you dont want to pay for a company's product, buy something else. Governments should not be able to try and force companies to conform to what the government thinks prices should be.
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We in Canada had the same problem except ours was a disparity between the American and Canadian dollars. All we did was wait for the American economy to tank. Now our dollar is usually worth more so we go shopping across the border.
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IMO this s bad news. Are the prices too high? Sure, but companies can charge what they want for their products. If you dont want to pay for a company's product, buy something else. Governments should not be able to try and force companies to conform to what the government thinks prices should be.

The 1890's and 1900s say Hi!

To respond to your and knuckleheads belief that the market will work itself out, I present a single case which disproves your theory. Standard Oil. The free market system does not work by itself in anything outside of theory, and that is because humans are running it. Malicious intent, and minority gain over the majority, will always seep into the system. Government involvement is the only avenue left for people in an age where you can not be left behind technologically, and you are at the mercy of those very few in possession of what you need.

It used to be somewhat simple to create competition in an industry, but microprocessors and technology which utilizes them, entirely breaks the old market models. They are too complex to create, the barrier to entry is astronomically high, they do not cost nearly as much to create as the owners want to charge. They utilize the higher barrier to entry to artificially inflate the price of their products to just below a feasible level to create your own. Just look at all the processors Intel is practically giving away to china if you don't think they have their bases covered as far as R&D / manufacturing / salaries go.

Please for the love of god take micro and macro economics. These are fundamental principals to economic theory which you are getting wrong.
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To respond to your and knuckleheads belief that the market will work itself out, I present a single case which disproves your theory. Standard Oil. The free market system does not work by itself in anything outside of theory, and that is because humans are running it. Malicious intent, and minority gain over the majority, will always seep into the system. Government involvement is the only avenue left for people in an age where you can not be left behind technologically, and you are at the mercy of those very few in possession of what you need.

So do what I said in my last post. Use EXISTING Open Source programs, and start a national program with the tax dollars that you will save and make those Open Source programs better and able to compete against Microsoft. No only will you quickly get out from under the thumb of those "Evil American Companies", but you will employ thousands of your own people.

There is on Monopoly here, other than the one created by a lack of willpower to change it.
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