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So do what I said in my last post. Use EXISTING Open Source programs, and start a national program with the tax dollars that you will save and make those Open Source programs better and able to compete against Microsoft. No only will you quickly get out from under the thumb of those "Evil American Companies", but you will employ thousands of your own people.

It is so easy to tell an entire country that they are "doing it wrong" when you aren't witnessing the same issue in yours. They are paying the prices they are because they have to.

Microsoft products are a staple in 99% of businesses: Windows, Exchange, Office, Sharepoint, etc.

Adobe products are damn near impossible to replace as well.

Open Source software is hardly ever an exact equivalent alternative software, as much as we'd like it to be. These proprietary softwares have done well for a reason; they have features and integration that no Open Source software can match.
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So do what I said in my last post. Use EXISTING Open Source programs, and start a national program with the tax dollars that you will save and make those Open Source programs better and able to compete against Microsoft. No only will you quickly get out from under the thumb of those "Evil American Companies", but you will employ thousands of your own people.

There is on Monopoly here, other than the one created by a lack of willpower to change it.

The government is blocking every attempt to remove financial need from banks. Crowdfunding is legal, yet illegal until every agency with even a hint of jursdiction over financials publishes rules on how to do it, and how they can stop you, and still get their cut.

Not to mention that everyone except for us enlightened few inside the tech community, believe that open source is how you get viruses and is inherently insecure. If nothing else, the spyware / AV companies managed to panic the world into believing they are their only savior.

Sure, your ideas have merit, and obviously you're a smart guy. But the rose colored glasses you seem to see the world through makes talking about anything exceedingly frustrating, since your solutions always ignore the inertia of the status quo, or the push-back of the current regimes against changes which will cost them dollars.
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I though UK prices were ridiculous, but Australian prices are just absurd. $120 for a game where Aussie dollar is nearly on par with US dollar.
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Sure, your ideas have merit, and obviously you're a smart guy. But the rose colored glasses you seem to see the world through makes talking about anything exceedingly frustrating, since your solutions always ignore the inertia of the status quo, or the push-back of the current regimes against changes which will cost them dollars.

Well said.
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Ugh, please don't feed the troll. He'll go on a diatribe about how its the consumers fault for allowing price fixing. Regardless of how many times or ways you show he is incorrect.

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For everyone who is jumping on me, think about this.

Maybe the largest single entity buyer of Microsoft, Adobe, and (maybe) Apple products (ie the government) should do something smart for a change ... and actually help to SOLVE the problem, instead of just doing a "shake down for money" while whining about how much money someone else is charging.

Just imagine for a second if the AU and EU governments actually thought this whole thing through for a second. Instead of constantly buying (most likely at typical over paid for prices from government contractors) computers and software that contained Microsoft, Apple and Adobe products and took all that money that they would normally spend on it and invested it in developing OPEN SOURCE versions of programs (ie Linux, Open Office, etc). Sure they would have to keep running Microsoft, Adobe, Apple products for awhile, but if the GOVERNMENT would just say "As of 2015, we will ONLY buy open source programs for non-national defense purposes." and they made it a national priority to develop open source solutions not only for their own countries but the rest of the world as well. Surely if America can do such a program where we planned to land a man on the moon and return them home in 8 years, the EU and AU can MODIFY software that is ALREADY in existence in 2 years.

Just don't upgrade tens of thousands of government computers that are running XP or 7 and Office 2007 for a 2 years, unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. The hundreds of millions of dollars, or maybe even BILLIONS that are spent on closed system products from those 3 companies could be used for the program. When it's done, guess what? The cost per year to maintain and upgrade those systems with the closed sourced programs will be a lot less, thus saving their tax payers money. Also, now that there are better open source programs out there, their people, and all the people of the world would then benefit.

But no, all this silly council will do is waste time and money and basically take the EASY way out and try to extort money from American companies all the while complaining about how greedy they are, when in fact it is those governments, and many people here, who are greedy (because they don't want to pay for stuff that other people put hard work into making) and/or lazy to bite the bullet and go for the LONG TERM SOLUTION.

Oh, I guess there is full employment in the EU and AU right now in the high tech sector, because a program like this would create LOTS of jobs.

So maybe if the EU and AU people would demand a REAL SOLUTION, instead of a band aid and "let's punish someone else and make them pay", life in the long run would be better for ALL.

So please people, try thinking "larger picture" before jumping down my throat.

Rant off.

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Not to mention electronics in general. I'm sure you can testify the added costs that are involved with trying to comply with multiple electronic standards, in AU it used to be C-Tick, A-Tick, RoHS, and all the other standards that vary from country to country. Our company is having to spend $150,000 just to get 1 product to meet the new Australian standard that is going into effect, and I can say that dealing with the ACMA is not easy in the least. Further, it's not like C-Tick means a whole lot outside of a Australia, so to get compliance in other nations, you have to do additional testing and pay additional costs. Since Australia has their own standards and their market is relatively small, the costs have to get passed on to their customers.

Called it, yet couldn't take my own advice.

I'm done, sorry for feeding him.
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It is so easy to tell an entire country that they are "doing it wrong" when you aren't witnessing the same issue in yours.

You mean like how C-Tick? You do know that they are the only nation that uses that standard right? You do know that they are basically telling the rest of the world that their standards are junk and that in order to sell in Australia, you have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and hoards of legal fees in making things compliant for just this one country?

I'm not saying that the US is blameless, but stop playing like some of the added cost ISN'T born by Australia themselves because they want to have their own standards and those standards cost money to comply with and then whine about the cost of things.
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Sure, your ideas have merit, and obviously you're a smart guy. But the rose colored glasses you seem to see the world through makes talking about anything exceedingly frustrating, since your solutions always ignore the inertia of the status quo, or the push-back of the current regimes against changes which will cost them dollars.

No, I'm not ignoring it, I'm just saying that I find it silly to not move forward with actually fixing the problem and blaming a company for wanting to make money, when in fact it is the people who are resistant to change who are whining about the cost of things when the real solution won't cost all that much or take that long and make more sense in the long term.

But then again, I guess that is the problem with most people ... they are penny wise and pound dumb. They only see the short term fix, but not the long term solution.
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You mean like how C-Tick? You do know that they are the only nation that uses that standard right? You do know that they are basically telling the rest of the world that their standards are junk and that in order to sell in Australia, you have to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and hoards of legal fees in making things compliant for just this one country?

I'm not saying that the US is blameless, but stop playing like some of the added cost ISN'T born by Australia themselves because they want to have their own standards and those standards cost money to comply with and then whine about the cost of things.
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No, I'm not ignoring it, I'm just saying that I find it silly to not move forward with actually fixing the problem and blaming a company for wanting to make money, when in fact it is the people who are resistant to change who are whining about the cost of things when the real solution won't cost all that much or take that long and make more sense in the long term.

But then again, I guess that is the problem with most people ... they are penny wise and pound dumb. They only see the short term fix, but not the long term solution.

First of all, C-Tick can be satisfied using any test that is accepted by the ACMA. That means that no, companies don't spend hundreds of thousands on C-Tick alone; any developed world has regulations on electronic equipment. If you'd like to see the standards list, you can see it here.

Secondly, acting like the solution is oh-so-easy is just silly. I can guarantee you that you have no knowledge that the government of Australia isn't already aware of; they have economists that look at this for a living. You think that they would call these companies in to ask them why it's so expensive if they could see an obvious reason? Probably not.
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Nice to see you Aussies getting some stuff done. Usually you're just complaining about how good we got it over here and how we should shut up. Come to think of it, maybe you should shut up. AMURRICA! wink.gif
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Interesting, generally I support the free market, and in the big picture I'm sure this problem would sort itself out in time- at least that's the theory. But I don't take issue with Australia doing what it feels is right for it's citizens.
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