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Possible upgrade from 802.11g to 802.11n questions

Poll Results: Should I upgrade, if so how?

 
  • 0% (0)
    tweak your current 802.11g setup
  • 66% (2)
    upgrade to any 802.11n router
  • 33% (1)
    you'll need to upgrade to a concurrent dual band 802.11 router to do what you want
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post #1 of 17
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Hello,

I am considering upgrading my wireless network as it sometimes takes longer to load internet video than it does on my wired PC. Here's what my current configuration looks like:

In the office where my internet comes in:
Time Warner RR Turbo internet to their modem (I have a Motorola SB6141 on its way to replace their modem and relieve me of paying fees)
-Linksys WRT54GL running DD-WRT
--Trendnet Gigabyte Switch
---My PC, Printer, Server, Microcell all wired connection to the switch

The internet speed seems about the same for browsing, but if I want to watch a movie on one of our laptops or in the living room it takes longer to load.

Here's what I have in the living room:
Linksys WRT54GL running DD-WRT acting like an access point
-smart TV
-Blueray playere
-Vonage modem

These devices all connect via WiFi
-HTPC -I believe the wireless adapter is only g, but if nothing else I can upgrade or connect it to an access point
-2 laptops, one is wireless n the other draft n
-2 cell phones, both have n
-Nintendo Wii

As you can see I can get around all but 1 wireless G device, the Wii. The only other g devices (printer and possibly HTPC) can both be connected via a wired connection for no additional cost.



Here are my questions:
1. Before spending any money does anyone have any suggestions to speed up my wireless speed?
2. Will upgrading my wireless network to 802.11n benefit internet streaming video? I don't do much streaming over my network
3. If I upgrade my router will I need to buy a concurrent dual band one, or will having 1 wireless g device not slow all other devices down?
4. If I upgrade, would it be better to get two DD-WRT enabled routers similar to what I have now, or would it be better to get an access point and a switch?
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post #2 of 17
Before spending any money, run a few speedtests to check that internet throughput is working correctly.. depending on your advertised speed values from Time Warner, see if it's relatively close, run a large test using testmy.net 3x and calculate an average. Do that using wired AND wireless on the same pc/laptop to ensure it isn't just the machine itself. If the difference in wifi and wireless is big, you will know if your wireless is an issue. For me wired, i download around 4.1MB/s and on wireless nearly the same so i know that being wired or wireless has no issue on my connection.

Also the linksys router, while great at its time, is def showing its age. I do like your approach to having dd-wrt as i have done the same in all 3 routers at my house as well. I know streaming HD movies from 720p-1080p depending on their complexity (motion and bitrate) caused issues with G as the throughput is slower in my experience. As a dd-wrt user you can do a site survey with the built in option or a separate program (sorry dont have any idea which) but you can check to see if your wireless isnt conflicting with something else. I use a site survey program from Android called WiFi Analyzer and it helps me ensure im running on a good channel and such.

So for now check your net connection and latency www.pingtest.net on both wired and wireless on the same machine as a preliminary testing procedure. We can then proceed from there.

Edit:
3. You don't need dual band unless you want to utilize 5ghz band which sucks for range so if you have a large house like i do, its useless. You will also need 5ghz enabled adapters which drive up the cost more. I have no idea on running G and N devices together scenario but i have been told that running Mixed-GN mode on your router slows down the speed for everyone BUT ive also never run into streaming issues with it on, as ive never done N-Only yet. So i have no help for you there.

4. Keep on with DD-WRT, it works great and enables routers to do so much more. Also a nice gigabit switch and AP would be great as well, BUT a good access point can be made using DD-WRT as you already have. However, i do have a recommendation and that is the Ubiquiti UniFI AP available in a few different flavors. A bit on the expensive side but absolutely great connection. More info here.
Edited by hellr4isEr - 2/11/13 at 8:03am
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post #3 of 17
Here are my questions:

1. Before spending any money does anyone have any suggestions to speed up my wireless speed?

Invest in a new router..

My Netgear WNDR3800 Router supports DD-WRT and Tomato which is why I choose this Router.
http://support.netgear.com/product/WNDR3800

http://www.myopenrouter.com

Keeps us Tweaking smile.gif

2. Will upgrading my wireless network to 802.11n benefit internet streaming video?

Yes..
Even with G and tweaking, your speeds will still suffer.
Faster WiFi speed 150+450 with, N theoretical speeds and faster.


3. If I upgrade my router will I need to buy a concurrent dual band one, or will having 1 wireless g device not slow all other devices down?

SimDual Band lets you run 2.4 and 5GHz bands concurrently and will not slow down network.

Looking at your setup 1 laptop is Draft N before finalizing "N"
See if firmware is available "N" final.

2nd Laptop is "N"

http://www.netgear.com/home/products/wireless-adapters/high-performance/WNDA3100.aspx#

4. If I upgrade, would it be better to get two DD-WRT enabled routers similar to what I have now, or would it be better to get an access point and a switch?

Purchase Router 1st and see how coverage and speeds before spending anymore money smile.gif
See how network performs, you might be surprised and not need to speed anymore money..
jmo smile.gif

This is how my system in my home is setup:
Comcast 20mpbs/4 mpbs

1. Netgear WNDR 3800 DD-RT/Tomato capable-see link above
2. Netgear gigatyte switch hooked up to Router to provide more out than router can support.
3. 2 Laptop all wireless G.
4. 1 Laptop updated internal wireless to "N dual band".
5. 2 Desktops 1 hard wired and one wireless "N-Dual band"
6. 1 I-Pad/ "G"
7. 1 HTC Sensation with T-Mobile with Wi-Fi calling "N"
8. 2 Direct TV DVR's 1 Hardwired/1 Wireless "N"
9. 2 WD Live both Hardwired 1000mbps/N capable and one 100mbps.
10. 1 Samsung 46" SmartTV hardwired with "N" supported

These 2 pdf files are for reference only to see Router and Network adapter differences.

Router Chart 9_1118-44305-1.pdf 406k .pdf file

Network Adapter Chart 697k .pdf file

You should be able to get a "N" router from around 75.00 to 125.00
I bought mine for 100.00.
As with anything else more features not better smile.gif
Edited by hyperkite - 2/11/13 at 11:51am
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My concern with only upgrading one router is that it will still leave my HTPC and other home theater devices connected to a g access point. The main reason for upgrading would be to improve video streaming.

I don't have cable so I do a lot of streaming from sites like Amazon Prime Instant Video, Hulu, CBS, CW, Netflix etc. This is really what I'm looking to upgrade the performance in.
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upgrade both i recently acquired a TP-LINK WR1043ND and flashed it to dd-wrt and it works wonders.. about $50 a piece.. but i like you should try the tests first if you dont wanna spend..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hyperkite View Post

3. If I upgrade my router will I need to buy a concurrent dual band one, or will having 1 wireless g device not slow all other devices down?

SimDual Band lets you run 2.4 and 5GHz bands concurrently and will not slow down network.

Looking at your setup 1 laptop is Draft N before finalizing "N"
See if firmware is available "N" final.

2nd Laptop is "N"

http://www.netgear.com/home/products/wireless-adapters/high-performance/WNDA3100.aspx#

just because its dual band doesn't necessarily mean he can run N-only on 5ghz and get away with it.. its not very good for distance AND he needs to get compatible adapters which will cost extra.
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If you read my post you will see that was addressed thumb.gif
as well as anything else smile.gif
Edited by hyperkite - 2/13/13 at 9:48am
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I know it's been a while since I last posted, but I just ran some speed tests.

Round 1: speedtest.net
Desktop wired: 28.25 down, 1.93 up
Laptop 1 wireless: 17.50 down, 1.92 up
Laptop 2 wireless: 18.52 down, 1.63 up

Round 2: testmy.net
Desktop wired: 21.3 down, 1.6 up
Laptop 1 wireless: 14 down, 1.7 up

Round 3: testmy.net 50mb download
Desktop wired: 18.6
Laptop 1 wiress: 13.1


So I am seeing better speeds with a wired connection. That does make me think that upgrading my wireless network will give me a benefit. I think N300 or N600 is probably all I need. I don't want to spend the $$$ on AC unless it's really that much better. Right now I'm looking at Asus routers as they seem to get good reviews.
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upgrade both i recently acquired a TP-LINK WR1043ND and flashed it to dd-wrt and it works wonders.. about $50 a piece.. but i like you should try the tests first if you dont wanna spend..

I gave up on my WR1043ND. It worked well for 3-4 weeks, then the wireless became increasingly unstable. Nothing would fix it. Switching from OpenWRT to dd-wrt didn't help. I dug through the comments on Newegg and a few other people remarked that they had a similar experience: wireless was stable for only a short time. I've been running an Asus RT-N16 for a month now with TomatoUSB and it's been rock solid. It also maintains much higher throughput than the WR1043ND ever did, especially on 40Mhz. Maybe I got unlucky with the WR1043ND. Lots of people have reported good experiences with it. Mine sucks though.
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