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First of all, you can't compare the movie industry (who only need to make movies at 1920x1080 and nothing higher) to the gaming industry (where there is more than a resolution to deal with)

Second, you're contradicting yourself there. You say you can't afford a 70" screen but you still have the ability to enjoy a movie on a smaller TV yet you are complaining about a game dev who isn't making a game that can take full advantage of a 2500K, 8 GB RAM and a GTX 670. Well guess what, some PC gamers can't afford a rig like that. They are stuck with i3s, 4 GB RAM and GTX 450. Why should they have to "suffer" because they can't run a game your rig can just so a dev can make $50 out of one person instead of $300 out of many?

Third, do you know what the system requirements for Sim City 4 is?

500MHz Pentium 3
128 MB RAM
32 MB DX compatible 3D GPU.

At the time (2003) the average gaming rig had a 2.5 GHz P4/2.5 GHz Athlon XPs, 512-1024 MB RAM and a 64-128 MB GPU. People back weren't running around saying "hurr durr it doesn't take full advantage of my rig therefore I'm not buying it and it's stupid."


2003 is now 10 years ago, ancient history as far as the PC gaming industry is concerned, its not even remotely the same as it is today, let alone the market and consumer demands. The big reason of PC gaming is the ability to "CHANGE" graphical settings so if people CANNOT run games on high settings, they can adjust to the liking and hardware capabilities UNLIKE consoles.

That was the big sell and point of PC gaming throughout the years, the ability to modify and change a PC games ability to run on certain hardware.

If you have the power to run at full crank? Great, all the options and visual goodies galore with a few clicks and the power users who can afford nice hardware are happy!

Have an older machine for whateaver reason? Oh, were sorry, but you can adjust the settings so you can still play the game at least and still have fun! Lower end PC owners are happy now to! Developers have made a game everyone can run and play for a variety of setups! Everyone wins and gets a cookie!

Otherwise, whats the damn point to all of this other then we should all just play consoles "as is"
post #152 of 257
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2003 is now 10 years ago, ancient history as far as the PC gaming industry is concerned, its not even remotely the same as it is today, let alone the market and consumer demands. The big reason of PC gaming is the ability to "CHANGE" graphical settings so if people CANNOT run games on high settings, they can adjust to the liking and hardware capabilities UNLIKE consoles.

That was the big sell and point of PC gaming throughout the years, the ability to modify and change a PC games ability to run on certain hardware.

If you have the power to run at full crank? Great, all the options and visual goodies galore with a few clicks and the power users who can afford nice hardware are happy!

Have an older machine for whateaver reason? Oh, were sorry, but you can adjust the settings so you can still play the game at least and still have fun! Lower end PC owners are happy now to! Developers have made a game everyone can run and play for a variety of setups! Everyone wins and gets a cookie!

Otherwise, whats the damn point to all of this other then we should all just play consoles "as is"
Graphics settings != game logic. No where in this thread has anyone said there wouldn't be high end graphics settings. Beyond that, graphics settings don't use System RAM much...

Whether you're running Skyrim on the absolute minimum settings or you've got 50GB worth of mods to improve the graphics to photo-realism, the game logic underneath is unchanged.
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First of all, you can't compare the movie industry (who only need to make movies at 1920x1080 and nothing higher) to the gaming industry (where there is more than a resolution to deal with)

Second, you're contradicting yourself there. You say you can't afford a 70" screen but you still have the ability to enjoy a movie on a smaller TV yet you are complaining about a game dev who isn't making a game that can take full advantage of a 2500K, 8 GB RAM and a GTX 670. Well guess what, some PC gamers can't afford a rig like that. They are stuck with i3s, 4 GB RAM and GTX 450. Why should they have to "suffer" because they can't run a game your rig can just so a dev can make $50 out of one person instead of $300 out of many?

Third, do you know what the system requirements for Sim City 4 is?

500MHz Pentium 3
128 MB RAM
32 MB DX compatible 3D GPU.

At the time (2003) the average gaming rig had a 2.5 GHz P4/2.5 GHz Athlon XPs, 512-1024 MB RAM and a 64-128 MB GPU. People back weren't running around saying "hurr durr it doesn't take full advantage of my rig therefore I'm not buying it and it's stupid."


2003 is now 10 years ago, ancient history as far as the PC gaming industry is concerned, its not even remotely the same as it is today, let alone the market and consumer demands. The big reason of PC gaming is the ability to "CHANGE" graphical settings so if people CANNOT run games on high settings, they can adjust to the liking and hardware capabilities UNLIKE consoles.

That was the big sell and point of PC gaming throughout the years, the ability to modify and change a PC games ability to run on certain hardware.

If you have the power to run at full crank? Great, all the options and visual goodies galore with a few clicks and the power users who can afford nice hardware are happy!

Have an older machine for whateaver reason? Oh, were sorry, but you can adjust the settings so you can still play the game at least and still have fun! Lower end PC owners are happy now to! Developers have made a game everyone can run and play for a variety of setups! Everyone wins and gets a cookie!

Otherwise, whats the damn point to all of this other then we should all just play consoles "as is"

And you're expecting game developers to push the envelope of graphics in Sim City?

Hang on while I turn 8k textures, HDR, SSAO, DX11 DOF, Tesselation and PhysX on in Sims 3.
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And you're expecting game developers to push the envelope of graphics in Sim City?

Hang on while I turn 8k textures, HDR, SSAO, DX11 DOF, Tesselation and PhysX on in Sims 3.


As I don't play that crap of a game series, I honestly don't know if your being sarcastic or serious.
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And you're expecting game developers to push the envelope of graphics in Sim City?

Hang on while I turn 8k textures, HDR, SSAO, DX11 DOF, Tesselation and PhysX on in Sims 3.
If I recall wasn't SimCity 4 rather demanding for the time it was released? I can't remember that far back right now
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And you're expecting game developers to push the envelope of graphics in Sim City?

Hang on while I turn 8k textures, HDR, SSAO, DX11 DOF, Tesselation and PhysX on in Sims 3.


As I don't play that crap of a game series, I honestly don't know if your being sarcastic or serious.

You surely must know about it?


Anyway, making something for the masses that the masses can all play easily, have fun and make it a good game = most successful type of game.
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If I recall wasn't SimCity 4 rather demanding for the time it was released? I can't remember that far back right now

I could run it perfectly fine at 1024x768 on an entry level PC from 1999 when it was first released.
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And you're expecting game developers to push the envelope of graphics in Sim City?

Hang on while I turn 8k textures, HDR, SSAO, DX11 DOF, Tesselation and PhysX on in Sims 3.

Heh...actually with the water and all the sims walking around I would not be surprised to see the game get intense on a GPU if they had tesselation in the game.

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If I recall wasn't SimCity 4 rather demanding for the time it was released? I can't remember that far back right now

Some one posted the minimum specs in the thread...I believe they said the min CPU was a 500MHz Pentium 3
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I could run it perfectly fine at 1024x768 on an entry level PC from 1999 when it was first released.

That's odd, because I remember SimCity 4 came out at around the same time as Command and Conquer Generals, and that didn't come out til 2003, and I remember having a heck of a time running either of the two on my entry level compaq.

As for the single threaded news, that's very disappointing, and I seriously wonder why in a high profile PC game release in 2013 they can't optimize for multicore beyond offloading audio processing. Admittedly though, chances were I wasn't going to buy it for a while.
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Running the main simulation on one core, and sound, input, rendering etc on the others DOES NOT EQUAL "single threaded"...

The topic title is totally misleading.
Yes it does. Almost every game uses separate threads for sound, chat etc, which requires minimal processing power. "Single threaded" means that the game logic is single threaded which leads to CPU bottleneck or, just as bad, limiting the size and scope of the game compared to what it could be.
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