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post #1 of 48
Thread Starter 
Hello, I am Yousif, how are you doing?.

I am going to build a purely for gaming,maybe some office work but no encoding or anything like that

I am on a budget right now, so I don't want to spend a lot.. maybe 700$ .. 800 tops

I already have an 500gb hdd and a good looking case from my old bulid which i don't want to replace

I also have a 450w psu but i dont think it will be enough

So I was thinking of getting 8gb of ram , an fx 8350 and a 7870

I want to play games on max settings, but my monitor isnt 1080p , its only 1600x900 so i think the 7870 should be enough, I might get a 1080p monitor later this year

what psu and motherboard do u recommend ?

And is the 8350 good for gaming on max settings?

Games i want to play are : DmC, skyrim, crysis 3, and hopefully gta V..

I dont plan on overclocking anything..


Sorry if I didnt put stuff right , this is my first post in this site, hope you guys help
post #2 of 48
Hey man, I'm good thanks for asking biggrin.gif

So, since it's a new build I'd probably go with the intel kit to be honest, now I know you've stated that you don't want to overclock, however, knowing what people are like when the start here you could change your mind (90% of people do anyway)

Get an i5 3570k - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116504

Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128546&Tpk=GA-Z77X-D3H

Samsung green 30nm memory 8GB kit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096

Now the 7850 isn't that great tbh, I'd strongly recommend going with the 7950, it's the best bang for buck card around.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150588 - cheaper option

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667 - option I'd take (pushes you outside of budget)

A good quality 450w PSU would be enough, however I don't know the quality of yours so I'll recommend the rosewill HIVE which is on sale http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182132

A cheap as chips case will do, you don't need to spend loads on it, you can even use your existing one if you have a computer atm.

Again, I know you're not overclocking, but i'd still get an aftermarket cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099, obviously if budget allows

I think all in all that'll hit around $800, but that's a machine you can expect to last. You can tweak it to your needs

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post #3 of 48
Thread Starter 
Thanks for replaying

I just check and the psu is 500w, but the brand isnt very good tongue.gif

So if I choose the 3570k, it wont be slower than the fx 8350 with the amd gpu?

Do amd gpuS work better with amd cpuS?

Will there be any performence drops when pairing the core i5 instead of the 8350 with an amd gpu?

I dont really know about this, please tell me if you do

I can get the 7950 if i buy 4gb of ram

Will 4gb be ebnough?

BTW the case has many fans biggrin.gif
post #4 of 48
A few questions there

Is the i5 faster than the AMD? Yes for games it is, the architecture is different and it's just a better CPU overall. Even in some multi-core applications the i5 is the better choice

There is no relation to AMD GPU's and the CPU they are matched with. There is no difference whatsoever and I'm pretty sure that if there was it would be illegal under the law of fair trading or something.

The i5 as before will outperform the AMD processor.

As for the memory, you have to use a matched pair, I've just seen that the matched pair is out of stock, if you have a look around (google and then shopping http://www.google.com/shopping?hl=en&tab=wf Put the name in there and find it elsewhere). I wouldn't recommend using just 4gb nowadays, 8gb is kind of standard and your machine will use it.

As for your PSU, could you please take a picture of it for me and post it up, I would like the sticker that's on the side and then we can see if it'll be suitable.

Thanks

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post #5 of 48
Thread Starter 
Thank you

No need, I will get a new 650w psu that u posted, to be able to crossfire in the future

Thanks for your time and help, will get 8gb ram, i5 3570k, and try and squeeze a 7950 smile.gif
post #6 of 48
That PSU will be more than enough for a xfire setup down the line, that machine will pull around 350w - 400w on load. A second 7950 will push it to around 575w - 600w. You'll be golden with that setup biggrin.gif

I can get you a cheaper PSU I went with that one because it was on sale and it's modular. I can also get you a cheaper motherboard but that one is an excellent motherboard for the price.

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post #7 of 48
I think you should grab a 560 for the GPU. Preferably MSI, I'[m not sure how the 660's hold up but the msi was close to maxing out battlefield for me and i play at 1920x1080. thats something you cant really dip out on price wise but its fairly budget at around $160. and no your 450w wont do for any kind of decent gaming rig, not to mention if your maxing out games. If your looking to buy maybe a 2500k for your processor (good idea, but it will be the most expensie part of your rig), take a look at the ASUS P8P67M-Pro, its a great 1155 board around $120, can overclock well, nice bios layout + features. also dont dip out on your psu. its a mistake ive found most people make and try to get a reputable brand and check reviews for most of your parts, in the case of it not living up to its "maximum" wattage. Good luck
EDIT: Im also Nvidia Biased sorry.
post #8 of 48
I'm sorry but I just read that post and i'm going to have to point out where you went wrong....
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I think you should grab a 560 for the GPU. Preferably MSI, I'[m not sure how the 660's hold up but the msi was close to maxing out battlefield for me and i play at 1920x1080

OK so that's a 560, old gen tech which isn't even comparable to the 7950, the you go with the 660's which again aren't as good as the 7950 and still more expensive.
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and no your 450w wont do for any kind of decent gaming rig, not to mention if your maxing out games.

Not true at all, a decent 450w PSU will run that setup that I spec'ed him without any issues at all. What does his PSU have to do with maxing out games? If it's not enough it'll just go bang.
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If your looking to buy maybe a 2500k for your processor (good idea, but it will be the most expensie part of your rig), take a look at the ASUS P8P67M-Pro, its a great 1155 board around $120, can overclock well, nice bios layout + features.

Again, last gen tech, nothing wrong with the 2500k but it's like $15 bucks less than the 3570k which will use the PCI-E 3.0. Wouldn't go with the P8P67M-Pro because it's a micro-ATX board and it's a P67 board.

Nvidia biased? you don't say
post #9 of 48
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Originally Posted by compuman145 View Post

I'm sorry but I just read that post and i'm going to have to point out where you went wrong....
OK so that's a 560, old gen tech which isn't even comparable to the 7950, the you go with the 660's which again aren't as good as the 7950 and still more expensive.
Not true at all, a decent 450w PSU will run that setup that I spec'ed him without any issues at all. What does his PSU have to do with maxing out games? If it's not enough it'll just go bang.
Again, last gen tech, nothing wrong with the 2500k but it's like $15 bucks less than the 3570k which will use the PCI-E 3.0. Wouldn't go with the P8P67M-Pro because it's a micro-ATX board and it's a P67 board.

Nvidia biased? you don't say

Okay let me just clear up I didnt read the above posts, and I have no idea how much AMD cards are priced, He said budget., I gave him MY opinion of budget. secondly, is it wrong for me to not trust a rig with a 450w PSU? wich has plenty to do with maxing out games OR what i meant by that was playing games in general when it hits full load. call me crazy, but i dont trust a 450w PSU, and why wouldnt you pay a little extra just for the security and breathing room. thirdly, I understand about the 2500k and the board, but ive hit high clocks on that thing, and ive heard things about heat with Ivy Bridge, no one mentioned a cooler i dont think, but overclocking neither. In any case, this is MY opinion you dont have to ******* flame me for it.
post #10 of 48
It is completely wrong of you to not trust a rig with a 450w PSU in it.

I'd not trust a rig with a 1500w PSU in it since it'll degrade quicker given the lack of load, you only need a PSU that meets your needs, not exceeds them by a stupid amount. The reason you have 80 plus is it shows the efficiency of a PSU loaded at 80% since that's the ideal area to have your PSU. If I remember rightly it's between 80% - 90% you should aim to have your PSU loaded, above 90% and it starts getting inefficient again

I'm not flaming you, I'm pointing out where you went wrong. You are advising someone on how best to spend their money and unfortunately in this case you were far from the target, the thing is if you say to someone go and get a GTX560 which isn't even a good card anymore, you are going to be responsible for them wasting their money, is that really something you want?

The main issue with your recommendation is it's all old tech and you're recommending an Nvidia GPU which isn't the best he can get for his money, you even claimed to be a fanboi which is never a good way to start recommending kit.

Also you can overclock the 3570k and I did put in an aftermarket cooler, he's already said that he doesn't want to overclock though.

As for the board, again, it's old tech and it's a micro-ATX board, the GA-Z77X-D3H has better VRM's for overclocking and it's overall a better board, to be honest you can't beat it in the $100 - $160 price range. Maybe with the g1.sniper or the UP4 but those are considerably more

And it's not your opinion, it's your recommendation, people are going to critique it to get this other person the best he can get for his money.

Also don't swear. biggrin.gif

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Edited by compuman145 - 2/12/13 at 6:05am
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