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For some reason, beta fish slowly suffocating to death in oil does not sound that awesome. But if he OC's enough maybe he can deep fry them. tongue.gif
I prefer cod

EDIT: This is what I chose to do now: http://www.overclockers.com/build-your-own-phase-change-pc-cooling-system/ I got a few old fridges and a lot of tools so well see. Look out for the SkeeterSkeeter love machine.
    
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I was tempted a while back to try something like this. I did a fair amount of reading about it. One thing that many people over look when building something like this is, oil will wick through wires. I have seen people say that oil started coming out the mouse after a while. This would also cause concern for oil making contact with some like the wall socket. I assume you will be submerging the psu also.
     
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With the right components everything except power could be made wireless. Would just need to remember to change the power cord every 30days or so. That or mount the power supply vertically with all the DC cables facing down and let it 'drip' back into the tank.
    
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I built one, two over locked 7970's crossfire, and 2600k @ 5ghz. The only real drawback is cost: 12 gallons of mineral oil alone costs $300 shipped. I bought pugets kit as I did not want to experiment with oil and deal with messes. So oil + kit = $1000. I could have done quad crossfire 7970's for that and gotten better performance. So doing it because you are bored is a pretty poor reason. I did it because I have two large dogs and two cats.
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if you insist on going ahead with this I can tell you this for 100% sure the amount of radiator surface area needed will probably be equivilant to 3or4 truck radiators and probably need to go 3 phase fans to get enough air flow to reap any benefits over a decent water loop.

Not to put you off but if I were to spent an insane amount of money on oil cooling I would probably get a chest freezer bigger the better put a 400lt + tank in it to cool the oil keeping in mind that it will take a few days? to get to below freezing point and maybe few hours? to heat up.
Also there will be a need to add some serious amount of insulation around fish tank and hoses keeping in mind that condensation will also be a factor requiring a specialist hydraulic oil water removal filter and that requires a hydraulic pump to devolop enough pressure to acually push the oil though the filter (I cannot remember but I think it requires at least 10bar to work properly.)

Thats how I would do it if I were bored enough and had a spare $30k + otherwise I would stick to phase change kit or even better convert a 7Kw aircon unit. thumb.gif
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if you insist on going ahead with this I can tell you this for 100% sure the amount of radiator surface area needed will probably be equivilant to 3or4 truck radiators and probably need to go 3 phase fans to get enough air flow to reap any benefits over a decent water loop.

Not to put you off but if I were to spent an insane amount of money on oil cooling I would probably get a chest freezer bigger the better put a 400lt + tank in it to cool the oil keeping in mind that it will take a few days? to get to below freezing point and maybe few hours? to heat up.
Also there will be a need to add some serious amount of insulation around fish tank and hoses keeping in mind that condensation will also be a factor requiring a specialist hydraulic oil water removal filter and that requires a hydraulic pump to devolop enough pressure to acually push the oil though the filter (I cannot remember but I think it requires at least 10bar to work properly.)

Thats how I would do it if I were bored enough and had a spare $30k + otherwise I would stick to phase change kit or even better convert a 7Kw aircon unit. thumb.gif

Actually, my mineral oil setup has signifcantly cooler temps than my than my previous h100. I have played farcry 3 for 8 hours straight and trmps never got above 50 degrees. my radiator is not "3 truck sized", more like chess board sized. Relying on an active systems to cool your system is also not very wise for 24/7. You should not give bad advice on setups you have never ran. Ignorance is infectious.
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Actually, my mineral oil setup has signifcantly cooler temps than my than my previous h100. I have played farcry 3 for 8 hours straight and trmps never got above 50 degrees. my radiator is not "3 truck sized", more like chess board sized. Relying on an active systems to cool your system is also not very wise for 24/7. You should not give bad advice on setups you have never ran. Ignorance is infectious.

yes you are right I have never ran a oil cooled rig and never intend to but if I were to it would because it offers significantly better temps than water ie sub zero or 15degrees below ambiant temperature.

In my opinion a H100 is not even in the ball park of half decent watercooling I know a raystorm ex240 kit is better by a country mile and has the same dual 120mm fans cofiguration.

I really want to see a no holds barred oil rig that blitzes everything. Not one that just looks awesome but fails in beating a CUSTOM WATER LOOP.
I have looked at a few oil rigs and for the added hassle and cost I want to see someone pull some decent numbers at the moment all I have read is;
Just similar temps to water = dam expensive cooling with no benefits and a load more hassle but looks cool.

Actually just had a thought where most people go wrong and that is flow. Underestimating the amount of how much less Kjoules of heat oil will take over water.
I stand corrected and would say this if you aim for 1 gallon per min for water then you probably need to aim for 1 gallon per second for oil (btw I have no idea)
this is why I suggested truck radiator as size and flow abilities and you will have to step up pipe size to 1' hopfullfully this kind of flow will reduce the amount of hotspots inside the mobo tank creating almost a whirlpool and overcome the inabilities of oil to absorb larger amounts of heat over water.
Edited by feznz - 2/23/13 at 3:31pm
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So I am a little board and have decided I am going to submerge my computer in mineral oil to cool it.

From everything I have read here are the pointers I must keep in mind.
  • Up to a point the oil bath will work, until it gets saturated with heat. Then I will need a radiator (coming soon)
  • Don't put any moving parts in the oil, it might work, but the parts that move (HDD, CDD, Fans) don't need cooling!
  • Oil will flow into the smallest cracks easily, but not flow out of them easily. This means once situated we could have small pockets of very hot oil. Apparently from what I have read there is basically no way around this (the flow needed is to great at this size). Either seal the entire board or hope this does not happen. I figure for me I am going to get some of the artists putty erasers and seal off what I can.
Other than that it seems strait forward, just throw that stuff in there and let er rip.


Here are few other ideas I've had on the subject
  • Maybe (since I have them) throw some chucks of dry ice in the oil to try and cool it down if it gets to hot and I have no radiator. Or possibly put some ice in a SEALED bag and put it in the oil to try and cool it too.
  • Once I get a radiator I will place dry ice on it, and place it outside (currently winter 20F avg).
  • If possible I could just do dry and oil! But seeing as the dry ice will boil once it hits the oil, I won't be able to keep the dry ice blocks in place on the CPU and GPU.
  • Get a BIG tank, lots a room to build into and room to slosh and spill oil if it happens.
  • Get another tank to set computer in when I remove it from oil (a workstation that I can get all oily)



The setup going into the oil
  • Evga 610 GT
  • Random MSI motherboard
  • Random AMD processor
*Sorry, this computer was bought for $100 at a liquidation sale. Not sure what is in it, tried looking up serial numbers but they all came back with odd results. I did however purchase the graphics card recently and have been OC'ing it with direct application dry ice cooling. (lots and lots of condensation!)


--- Yes I know oil will get on my computer parts, yes I know oil is messy, yes I know there are better cooling techniques. But did you read the part that I am bored?

Above points are correct, you can put fans and heatsinks in the oil too. The fans wont do much but they look cool if they're LED ones, and can help circulate the oil a little bit.
You dont have to worry too much about heat unless you're chucking in a quad core and a more powerful dedicated GPU, no point using expensive stuff if it's your first shot anyway, it's a pain in the ass to dry em off if you change your mind.
You can keep things cool in the tank by running the PSU on the outside, i tried both lol. thumb.gif


Have you thought of the type of tank you're using and how the mobo is going to mount? No need for a larger tank, oil isn't too cheap and may need to top it up sometimes. Get one that will comfortably fit your mobo and PSU if you want it in there.

Check out my oil rig in my sig, it was a HTPC.
I ended up tearing it down, drying it off and selling it as an ordinary desktop. Was fun while i had it but. It wasn't an expensive rig either so i didnt really lose any money selling it, apart from the GPU which i sold separately for half of what i paid for it.
Point is, like i said before, better to use cheaper stuff for these experiments. I threw in some older LGA775 gen parts for my first shot, mobo was dying anyway so i didnt care. Because it worked and i wanted to keep doing it, the second shot i bought latest gen stuff.
So if you've got a $100 rig, don't chuck a H100i in there when it costs more for the whole thing all up.
Edited by PoisonousRakija - 3/5/13 at 1:16am
 
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