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The functionality of Apple products is easily beaten by PC. While macs do look and feel good, the range of customisation you have access to is very limited as opposed to PC. PC laptops can easily last 5 years, just because your experience has your Mac lasting longer, doesn't mean it holds true all of the time.

Hardware or software customization?

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As far as gaming goes, Macs can't run most games, and their software simply won't allow it. There is nothing wrong with talking about specs, specs of a computer are what make it. The only thing in a computer besides its parts is the Operating System installed to it. If we talk about MacOS, you can quite easily install that on a Windows computer.

The OP doesn't want a laptop for gaming. Also, have you checked Steam for Mac lately? The library gets bigger and bigger every week.

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Let's take an example, my computer cost about one thousand dollars all put together, and has higher quality parts, faster clock speeds, and more functionality than a macbook that costs 500 dollars more.

That's kind of a silly argument. You can build a Honda Civic that can go faster than a BMW M5, but at the end of the day you still have a Honda Civic. There's nothing wrong with a Honda Civic, it's just an illogical argument.
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Amen to that! I am primarily a PC person, but I bought a 13" macbook pro as I wanted to try my hand at making iphone apps. It was by far the best laptop I ever owned, and I could easily run both OS on the machine so I didn't feel I was losing out on anything. I didn't buy the laptop for gaming, so I wasn't concerned with the "specs" that most people regard so highly.

How do you feel about coding on the 13'' screen? That would be my next debate
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Specs alone do not make something good or bad, when will people start to realize that?

Why pay 1700 dollars for a machine that can't even run Far Cry 3 well when I could spend 700 dollars less on one that can run it on high?
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Originally Posted by eagle982 View Post

The functionality of Apple products is easily beaten by PC. While macs do look and feel good, the range of customisation you have access to is very limited as opposed to PC. PC laptops can easily last 5 years, just because your experience has your Mac lasting longer, doesn't mean it holds true all of the time.

As far as gaming goes, Macs can't run most games, and their software simply won't allow it. There is nothing wrong with talking about specs, specs of a computer are what make it. The only thing in a computer besides its parts is the Operating System installed to it. If we talk about MacOS, you can quite easily install that on a Windows computer.

Let's take an example, my computer cost about one thousand dollars all put together, and has higher quality parts, faster clock speeds, and more functionality than a macbook that costs 500 dollars more.

Install mac OS on PC? I have heard that it isn't that easy, Not nearly as easy as installing windows on a Mac
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Specs alone do not make something good or bad, when will people start to realize that?

This. The experience is everything for me. My PC is my hotrod. I care about exactly how many frames I can get out of a game and how much performance I can get out of it. When it comes to my laptop, I care about the workflow that I use to accomplish work. A lot of people can't separate clock speed and cache size from the amount of work a person can produce using whatever the tool is. I have a 6 core, 16gb, SLI, SSD Raid PC that is a complete and utter monster on my desk. BUT I can do office work more efficiently on my 2008 Macbook Pro with it's lousy core2duo. In the end, that makes my macbook pro faster than my desktop.

That's the logic behind why I would choose a mac for producing work results and a PC for producing benchmark results. There's plenty of people who do just fine working on a PC, and I get that, but I'm not interested in changing my workflow. Unless it's relevant to the work that I'm doing, when it comes to simply getting work done, there's literally nothing that I care about less than clock speed and cores. Grab Retina Macbook Pro and all of your bases will be covered, imco.
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I'm an engineering student currently (started as mechanical, now I am comp sci) and I own both an 11in macbook air and an 11in gaming laptop (Clevo W110ER). I love both of them, but for very different reasons. Both costing a similar amount, the Windows one blows it away on specs (i5-3360M + GT 650M versus i7-2637M ULV. Not even a fair comparison to be made). The processing / graphics power is very important to me, and using Windows / Linux is necessary for my classes, so I use that laptop far more. Every time I do use my Mac though, I remember why I love Macs for all the reasons people have already described. For work / school, my Macbook Air has proven fairly useless, but I love it anyway.

My recommendation: get a high quality, high powered, Windows laptop. After 5 minutes of searching, I just concluded that the only high quality Windows laptops are ultrabooks and do not meet the high powered criteria I just mentioned. Get a mac.
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post #17 of 45
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How do you feel about coding on the 13'' screen? That would be my next debate

I had no problem using the 13" screen. Now let me say that I had no coding experience prior to this little "adventure" so I had no preferences going in. I would occasionally connect it to an external display but found myself primarily using it on my lap or on my desk on the 13" screen alone. Of course, the amount of code that I needed to work with was small so I did not need a lot of screen real estate.
    
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The functionality of Apple products is easily beaten by PC. While macs do look and feel good, the range of customisation you have access to is very limited as opposed to PC. PC laptops can easily last 5 years, just because your experience has your Mac lasting longer, doesn't mean it holds true all of the time.

As far as gaming goes, Macs can't run most games, and their software simply won't allow it. There is nothing wrong with talking about specs, specs of a computer are what make it. The only thing in a computer besides its parts is the Operating System installed to it. If we talk about MacOS, you can quite easily install that on a Windows computer.

Let's take an example, my computer cost about one thousand dollars all put together, and has higher quality parts, faster clock speeds, and more functionality than a macbook that costs 500 dollars more.

I don't mean to be rude, but you seem to still be stuck in the "spec" attitude no matter how much you think you aren't in it. Someone who is coding is going to want to have a reliable, well built machine that will last him. If you want to get a PC thats capable of lasting as long as an Macbook/Macbook pro, you are going to be spending about 120% of what you'd be paying for a Macbook/Macbook Pro. The lasting issue isn't just my experience. Its quite well known.

And I'll leave this little tidbit of knowledge again. A laptop is something that is portable that you can take along with you. Its going to cost you no matter WHAT brand you get because you are going for portability. If you want portability, get a laptop.

A desktop is something that isn't portable, but you can focus on making it as good as you want. You sacrifice the portability for the overall horsepower per dollar spent.

There is no reason to argue whether "A (pc laptop)" is more cost efficient than "B (mac laptop)" when you are going to get gimped performance anyhow (compared to a desktop computer).

Thats why every response to you has been trying to tell you that you shouldn't focus on specs, and more focus on realibility. Your laptop is going to be thrown in your bag, moved around, and coddled a lot. It needs to be sturdy and a lasting piece of equipment. That's why reliability is more of a factor in picking out a laptop, rather than specs. Thing is, either way they are both going to cost a ton. It just so happens that at the price-point of a Macbook/Macbook Pro, there is nothing that comes close to its build quality/reliability. And the OP is someone looking to code. He needs the reliability over the jumbled up "spec" laptop that you are going to get by going the route of a PC laptop.
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Why pay 1700 dollars for a machine that can't even run Far Cry 3 well when I could spend 700 dollars less on one that can run it on high?

Now you're just trolling.

The OP doesn't want a laptop for gaming. It's not that hard to understand...
Edited by ImmortalKenny - 2/12/13 at 10:28am
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If you're concerned with the pricing, perhaps consider a used Macbook instead? The build quality on Macbooks is great, but you could also argue that a quality PC laptop would last you just as long.

For portability, Macbooks are about equal to Ultrabooks. I'm using a Lenovo Y500 right now, and although it is a great laptop, it's not as portable as I though it was going to be. I get ~5 hours of batter life, but it weighs 6lbs and is nearly as large as my 17" notebook.

Make a list of Pros and Cons for each situation.
    
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