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Hi everyone.

So I'm planning out a layout for a new home network setup. I have the fibre connection coming into the house into the modem, which then comes through to the ISPs brand wireless router. The router sucks, being only 2.4 GHz, only having one GbE port (+4 100 Mbps ports) and doesn't support advanced functionality.

My situation is thus.

I run a cable from the GbE port on the ISP device to a new switch that has all the functions I want.
I have multiple devices to connect to it:
- HTPC
- NAS
- Wireless devices (phones, tablets, laptops)
- A work PC (either wired or wireless), which uses ICS to two testing stations.

Diagram time: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Both the HTPC and the NAS have multiple GbE ports, and as the NAS is easily 150 MBps+, I want a router that can team/aggregate the NICs. There will be times when I'm shifting around a lot of data, so this is a must. Preferably 2, if not more.
The wireless devices are a mix (phones, tablets, laptops), but ideally I want a switch that also does 5 GHz WiFi with good range.

Ideally I would like this to be in one device (if possible, knock out the ISP wireless router, it's BT in the UK if anyone has suggestions).

I was looking at the ASUS RT-AC66U, which does almost everything but doesn't do teaming as far as I can tell?

Any advice?
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It is going to be difficult to find something that is a router + does what you want without (i.e. 802.11n WiFi and LACP) going to something enterprise. You might be able to do teaming using adaptive load balancing (no switch support required), however 802.3ax LACP will likely be better.

An all in-one device doing gigabit switching, 802.11n WiFi, routing and LACP will run your wallet. You'll also run out of Ethernet ports fairly quickly on a router with an integrated switch at a "reasonable" price point. For this reason, I won't bother recommending such a solution smile.gif

Instead, these are the scenarios I would recommend:
  1. Keep your current router and add a new 802.11n WiFi access point and a smart switch
  2. Replace your router with a new one that does 802.11n WiFi and add a smart switch


All devices listed below support web based management.

802.11n WiFi AP:

Smart Switches: (these all do 802.3ax LACP)

Routers: (for scenario 2)

For the record I am using two Cisco SG-30010 switches and a DrayTek router (I highly recommend DrayTek routers). Well... I was using a DrayTek until I switched to a Raspberry Pi as an experiment tongue.gif
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The smart switches listed above will not meet your requirement for NIC Teaming (Server/Workstation term) or creating port bundles (switching term).

I would suggest picking up a used Cisco 2960 or 3560. These are both unmanaged switches and will require some configuration.

All ports will be in the default VLAN (1), however given that this will be for your home environment it should not be that big of a deal. The command you will need to enter to enable port channeling is as follows, however you need to determine if the protocol your NAS uses is LACP (Link Aggregate Control Protocol).
Cisco switches have 3 modes for channel group; active = LACP (open standard), auto or desired = PAgP (Cisco proprietary, used for creating channel groups from one switch to another), and on for Etherchannel only.

The chances are extremely high you will just need to have Etherchannel only needed

conf t
int ran g1/0/1 - 2 (or whatever ports you are teaming together)
swi mode acc
span port dis
channel-g 1 mode on
int po1
swi mode acc
span port dis
end
copy run start

EDIT
As for your router from the ISP I would just leave it in place or replace it with a wireless router so you have wireless access. The fore mentioned switches will only meet your port density and Port channeling requirement.

EDIT2
http://www.cablesandkits.com/cisco-switches-c-50_82.html here are some decent prices on some used switches... you could do this on a 2950 also which is only about $70...The final thought is that the 2950 by default is only fast ethernet meaning 10/100. You would be better off with the 2960 or 3560 for each port being Gigabit ethernet. The 3550 and 2950 if they support Gigabit the back plane was where the limitations came in meaning you could only plug into 1 port of an 8 port group. This can get complicated if you don't know what your doing, hence why the extra 150 may well be worth it.
Edited by bratas - 2/13/13 at 6:23am
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It is going to be difficult to find something that is a router + does what you want without (i.e. 802.11n WiFi and LACP) going to something enterprise. You might be able to do teaming using adaptive load balancing (no switch support required), however 802.3ax LACP will likely be better.

An all in-one device doing gigabit switching, 802.11n WiFi, routing and LACP will run your wallet. You'll also run out of Ethernet ports fairly quickly on a router with an integrated switch at a "reasonable" price point. For this reason, I won't bother recommending such a solution smile.gif

To be honest, the router part isn't particularly necessary. I already have one smile.gif

So LACP is supported by all ASRock motherboards these days with the appropriate NICs, just need something the other end that is also LACP capable.
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Instead, these are the scenarios I would recommend:
  1. Keep your current router and add a new 802.11n WiFi access point and a smart switch
  2. Replace your router with a new one that does 802.11n WiFi and add a smart switch
Scenario 2 is probably most likely.

Trying to find reasonable prices, and equipment that is actually sold in the UK is a pain.

For example, this smart switch is LACP: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004F9FKQG/ref=asc_df_B004F9FKQG11922250?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004F9FKQG
16 port for £120.

Add in the ASUS RT-AC66U, which is a router that does 802.11n and 802.11ac, ready for futureproofing.

Does that make sense?
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Originally Posted by bratas View Post

The smart switches listed above will not meet your requirement for NIC Teaming (Server/Workstation term) or creating port bundles (switching term).

Why not?
Quote:
snip

That seems overly complicated for a home setup.
Also, not everyone lives in the US. Meaning that shipping anything over and paying tax usually costs more than getting it here in the first place.
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Originally Posted by bratas View Post

The smart switches listed above will not meet your requirement for NIC Teaming (Server/Workstation term) or creating port bundles (switching term).

As long as his devices support LACP, they will work fine. He wants link aggregation. Actually I thought the TP-LINKs did LACP but I can't download the datasheet to see. They do say they support port trunking however.
The Cisco 300 series definitely support link aggregation... I'm using them with that feature.

Additionally, IOS is too complicated for someone who doesn't know Cisco. He will want something web managed, believe me.
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Originally Posted by borandi View Post

To be honest, the router part isn't particularly necessary. I already have one smile.gif

So LACP is supported by all ASRock motherboards these days with the appropriate NICs, just need something the other end that is also LACP capable.
Scenario 2 is probably most likely.

Trying to find reasonable prices, and equipment that is actually sold in the UK is a pain.

For example, this smart switch is LACP: http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004F9FKQG/ref=asc_df_B004F9FKQG11922250?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=22206&creativeASIN=B004F9FKQG
16 port for £120.

Add in the ASUS RT-AC66U, which is a router that does 802.11n and 802.11ac, ready for futureproofing.

Does that make sense?
Why not?
That seems overly complicated for a home setup.
Also, not everyone lives in the US. Meaning that shipping anything over and paying tax usually costs more than getting it here in the first place.

I agree, that is overly complicated for home. Yes that switch from Amazon supports LACP - as long as your NICs can do LACP, you'll be fine. Its really quite that simple. ASUS RT-AC66U is a good choice, I missed in your post that you wanted 5GHz smile.gif
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I would have to agree.
Cisco stuff is a pain especially if you don't want to pop out a Serial / Console cable.
Their CLI is not made for the avg user.

I'd have to recommend the Netgear stuff for the easy to use GUI interface.
Especially after seeing a similar setup made by LinusTechTips where his house is linked up with 4Gbps Intel NIC Cards to his Switch it is pretty sweet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPQqb1ZvYY8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycbq_gTqT5M

Take a look at those may be a okay option for ya.
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Cisco stuff isn't too hard, just expensive if you wanna use the new stuff tongue.gif

I'm have a 2621 and a 2950 and they've been running great.
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I'm a complete dork for Dell switches. I'm spending valentines day evening with a PC6248.

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I'm a complete dork for Dell switches. I'm spending valentines day evening with a PC6248.

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http://www.dell.com/us/enterprise/p/force10-s-series/pd?c=us&s=biz

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Yeah an S50N would do nicely, too, but the stacking performance of the 6200 and 7000 series Powerconnects is better than that of the Force10 line and the PCs have a 10gbase-t expansion option.

Aaaand I do believe you have to use Force10-sanctioned SFPs if you go down the Force10 path. That's no fun.
    
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