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AMD will probably have to release a card with at least 3072 SP and 48 ROP to match this card. Considering Titan is on 800MHz range this card would be a beast if it hit 1.2GHz +

Question is, is it even necessary right now? Since titan is a supposed limited run i don't think it will affect much of the market other than claiming fastest single GPU it's literally going to be in the 690/7990 category that few actually buy. I say few because sure there are some enthusiast that will get it and will need it but i imagine a good bit of gamers play at 1080p on 23" monitors like myself, in which 900$ for a card that does the same job as a 350-400$ card just isn't necessary. That being said i wish AMD was lying about their roadmap and surprised us with the 8000 series, though i'm not expecting a big jump in performance as it's the refresh IIRC. Would be nice if they surprised us with the 9000 series out of nowhere and we could get some good pricing going on between the two manufacturers.

So when are we to expect benchmarks of Titan? Later this week?
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When I went from cayman to tahiti, it was a doubling of performance, ie. two cayman = 1 tahiti. Titan doesn't look to be doing this and the premium is stupifying in comparison. That's a helluvalot of coin for 30% on avg. However, why the use of these lame graphs, where be the real benchies?

agreed. Also AMD might have some more tricks with the new memory manager driver due soon. So for all you know your golden Tahitis might be nipping at the heels of stock Titan. Although titan would pull away when overclocked it needs to be at USD 700 to be a no brainer. I can't help but think that would have been the case if AMD had a HD 8970 which was 20 - 25% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. thats why competition is crucial for consumers.
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i imagine a good bit of gamers play at 1080p on 23" monitors like myself, in which 900$ for a card that does the same job as a 350-400$ card just isn't necessary.

A $350-$400 card does the same job as a GTX 680 or Titan at 1080p? I could only see this being the case if people aren't cranking their settings to the max, or running 0x AA/AF. You guys need to turn up your AA/AF or something.... or stop playing games made 3 years ago? I dunno... thinking.gif

I run 2x SSAA or 4x MSAA, 16x AF, and Very High image quality. There are plenty of games that my 680 does not see a smooth 60FPS. I have a hard time believing a $350 card would not be a noticeable downgrade.
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agreed. Also AMD might have some more tricks with the new memory manager driver due soon. So for all you know your golden Tahitis might be nipping at the heels of stock Titan. Although titan would pull away when overclocked it needs to be at USD 700 to be a no brainer. I can't help but think that would have been the case if AMD had a HD 8970 which was 20 - 25% faster than HD 7970 Ghz. thats why competition is crucial for consumers.

Your forgetting one huge factor. 6gb vram. What is a reference 7970 3gb $400? Yet the 6gb Sapphire is $600. Thats a $200 dollar premium for 3gb of extra vram. Same thing Titan is doing except it has between 30-65% more performance then a 7970 depending on the resolution and game. Add in the 6gb of vram and magnesium case and bingo you have yourself a $900 gpu. This isn't rocket science guys.
 
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A $350-$400 card does the same job as a GTX 680 or Titan at 1080p? I could only see this being the case if people aren't cranking their settings to the max, or running 0x AA/AF. Even the 680 doesn't maintain 60FPS at 1080p with AA/AF in lots of games. You guys need to turn up your AA/AF or something.... or stop playing games made 3 years ago? I dunno... thinking.gif

I still can't believe you returned a 970D blinksmiley.gif That's the best looking monitor I've ever seen...
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I still can't believe you returned a 970D blinksmiley.gif That's the best looking monitor I've ever seen...

2 dead pixels, excessive bleeding out of the bottom right corner, and the black levels looked gray to me in my somewhat dim room. I sat it side by side and compared with my 55" HX929. The only thing the 970D beat it in was sheer resolution/sharpness, but when you sit 2 feet from a 27" 1440p and 6 1/2 feet from a 55" 1080p... that resolution difference starts to look roughly the same. The HX929 destroyed it in contrast ratio, black levels, etc... and 55" is incredibly more immersive.

I actually had 2 friends come over and help me compare because I was baffled and unsure if I should return it. They both agreed the 970D was not worth the money and they preferred the 55" HX929 over it. I'm still baffled to be quite honest. I expected the monitor to blow my TV out of the water, but the HX929's panel with local dimming just seems hard to beat... I'm still debating on dropping $1500 on a U3014 when they come out... but that's so much money and i'm pretty sure it'll suffer from excessive backlight bleeding like all the dell IPS monitors i've seen. frown.gif
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A $350-$400 card does the same job as a GTX 680 or Titan at 1080p? I could only see this being the case if people aren't cranking their settings to the max, or running 0x AA/AF. You guys need to turn up your AA/AF or something.... or stop playing games made 3 years ago? I dunno... thinking.gif

I run 2x SSAA or 4x MSAA, 16x AF, and Very High image quality. There are plenty of games that my 680 does not see a smooth 60FPS. I have a hard time believing a $350 card would not be a noticeable downgrade.

You really dont need anything more then GTX680/HD 7970 for 1080p @ 60Hz. Yeah you can crank up AA/AF but are you willing to pay $400+ for going from 4AA to 8AA? This card really makes sense for high Res for having 6GB. Yes it will be really fast @ 1080p but it will be faster compare to other cards @ higher Res.
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Your forgetting one huge factor. 6gb vram. What is a reference 7970 3gb $400? Yet the 6gb Sapphire is $600. Thats a $200 dollar premium for 3gb of extra vram. Same thing Titan is doing except it has between 30-65% more performance then a 7970 depending on the resolution and game. Add in the 6gb of vram and magnesium case and bingo you have yourself a $900 gpu. This isn't rocket science guys.

i don't think RAM price is responsible for such a significant price increase on the HD 7970 6GB. its just that companies like to make a lot more margins on these cards. so they introduce new SKUs with extra RAM and try to sell with better margins. the extra VRAM might be required in very few cases. One of the examples which hardocp showed was Hitman Absolution aat 5760 x 1080 required more than 3 GB even for 2x MSAA. but there are very few cases. Even BF3 runs perfectly with 3GB at 5760 x 1080 Ultra 4X MSAA.

also Titan seems to be 30 - 35% on avg faster than HD 7970 Ghz which sells for USD 450. definitely the lack of competition is the primary reason for Titan's price. Nvidia's Titan chip is similar die size to GF110 and even accounting for the extra VRAM they should be selling at USD 650. the fact that AMD has no product which competes with Titan gives Nvidia the freedom to price the way they want it . thumb.gif
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2 dead pixels, excessive bleeding out of the bottom right corner, and the black levels looked gray to me in my somewhat dim room. I sat it side by side and compared with my 55" HX929. The only thing the 970D beat it in was sheer resolution/sharpness, but when you sit 2 feet from a 27" 1440p and 6 1/2 feet from a 55" 1080p... that resolution difference starts to look roughly the same. The HX929 destroyed it in contrast ratio, black levels, etc... and 55" is incredibly more immersive.

I actually had 2 friends come over and help me compare because I was baffled and unsure if I should return it. They both agreed the 970D was not worth the money and they preferred the 55" HX929 over it. I'm still baffled to be quite honest. I expected the monitor to blow my TV out of the water, but the HX929's panel with local dimming just seems hard to beat... I'm still debating on dropping $1500 on a U3014 when they come out... but that's so much money and i'm pretty sure it'll suffer from excessive backlight bleeding like all the dell IPS monitors i've seen. frown.gif

Must've been a lemon then because I've seen several in person and they all looked incredible to my eyes. Much better black levels than my IPS panels and incredibly vivid colors. I'm totally sold on Samsung's PLS panels but I don't want to spend so much $$$ on monitors when my Korean IPS still look so good for only $200 a piece...
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i don't think RAM price is responsible for such a significant price increase on the HD 7970 6GB. its just that companies like to make a lot more margins on these cards. so they introduce new SKUs with extra RAM and try to sell with better margins. the extra VRAM might be required in very few cases. One of the examples which hardocp showed was Hitman Absolution aat 5760 x 1080 required more than 3 GB even for 2x MSAA. but there are very few cases. Even BF3 runs perfectly with 3GB at 5760 x 1080 Ultra 4X MSAA.

also Titan seems to 30 - 35%35% on avg faster than HD 7970 Ghz which sells for USD 450. definitely the lack of competition is the primary reason for Titan's price. Nvidia's Titan chip is similar die size to GF110 and even accounting for the extra VRAM they should be selling at USD 650. the fact that AMD has no product which competes with Titan gives Nvidia the freedom to price the way they want it . thumb.gif

Your math is way off.
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