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Originally Posted by truefrogs View Post

@ Tjj226 Angel
seriously? you've got an attitude problem pal, why you trying to mug me off? you know NOTHING about me. i just haven't got time for people like you.

to OP, i'm not some little kid who doesn't know what they're chatting about, as that sennheiser hating "angel" up there likes to think.
i'm a 31 year old sound engineer who used to also work repairing audio equipment, my uncle is also a sound engineer, i take after him.
i own HD598, K702 and K240studio, i used to own HD590 and my sister owns owns the ATH-AD700 and HD555.
i use hifi amps and mixing desks for my headphones, as i said earlier i have little experience with HP amps, though my uncles musical fidelity V-can 2 is very good.
seeing as you where asking repeatedly for advice on HP amps, and wasn't getting much feedback, i gave it ago, based on reviews and headfi.org (excellent site for headphone advice btw, would be better for you than asking on overclock.net)
everything i've told you with the exception of HP amps is based on the TONNS of auditioning i've done in shops, at home, my uncles and a few studios.

whenever i do use the web for advice though, im EXTREMELY thorough, i have OCD (please dont anyone take the piss) i NEED to know absolutely EVERYTHING about anything i research, i can go without sleep for days untill i do.

i'm not sure about in the US, but in the UK the HD700 is £600 (thats cheaper than most electrostatic headphones) the k702 is £250, a decent tube amp is ATLEAST £300 pounds (though little dot is half that and you can change the tubes and make them sound real nice) i don't think its unrealistic to suggest the HD700 based on the above, and you saying under $1k (obviously angel does though) plus they sound amazing, yes i've actually head them, no there not worth £600 but still much better than k702 + tube amp and more convenient too.

the reason i hate electrostatics is because, i've heard a pair of audeze LCD2, and ok they obviously sound good, but my god why spend so much, its desgusting really,
thing is electrostatic is inherently expensive and i just don't think any headphone is worth that sort of money, even the "cheap" electrostatics are still really expensive.

you're looking for headphones that are coloured, with bass, there's really no point spending loads then.

the advice i've given you is no different than i would give a friend, i'm not about point scoring "cough"Tjj226 Angel"cough"

seriously though, i'm sure you'll get loads of help here http://www.head-fi.org/

good luck smile.gif


Hey now, im sure you two (truefrogz and angel) can calm down. This thread shall remain friendly. Now i can see you have opposing opinions about this audio stuff which is fine, I do too but honestly if your going to argue opinion on SQ go to the dump headfi has become.
post #62 of 87
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Originally Posted by truefrogs View Post

As i said before, if you're going for a tube amp it needs to be a good one, i hear little dot are good and you can always swop out the tube itself to find one that best suits your taste.
Thing is once youve paid for the tube amp and good headphone, you'll have spent so much you could have just got a pair of hd700's which are far less fussy about amps.
You started this thread asking if the hd598 is good, yes it is, and tbh i would just save a truck load of money and get something in that price range.
How about the sony mdr-xb1000, it has the sound signiture you're asking for.
Thing is you want booming bass, ie: coloured headphones, well an expensive headphone shouldnt be that coloured, so you hear the music exactly as intended.
IMHO the more nuetral the better, but sound is subjective, theres no wrong answer, just opinions, example i hate electrostatic headphones (maybe just because the price makes me sick) but that doesn't meen you wont love them.
I say audition some headphones instead of listening to us lot, or take a chance on something more reasonable like the mdr xb 1000, they have very strong bass and are otherwise good quality.
Just my 2 cents.

I have to disagree you can have a system from an HD 600 or 650 and a hybrid tube amp and it will sound much better than the hd 700 the hd 700 are 1000$ a hd650 with a hybrid amp would only be around 600$. The hd600 dont have as much boomy bass but the presence is more refined than the hd700.
post #63 of 87
The sennheiser line of phones are quite wonderful i find to be some of my favorite all around phones as they excel quite well in all genres of music. I own a couple pairs of sennheisers and i can say that the hd 598 are nice but there are far better sennhierser phones out there for more or less than the 598s like i stated in a previous post the hd 580 are basically a cheaper version of the hd6xx line of phones with very similar SQ allmost the same to the 600. and the hd 6xx line of phones are all better than the 598 and so the 580 is also.
post #64 of 87
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Originally Posted by Tjj226 Angel View Post

Hey you asked what I meant. That is what I meant. I get that it is an obvious statement. But if it is so obvious, then why did you even bother telling him about the sennheiser stuff after he stated he likes boomy bass? Doesn't that make you the fool?

Secondly. My mom has the 598s, I have the AKGs, and my neighbor has the audiotechnica ad900x. We all agree that the 598s are ok on all of our sound equipment, but the audio technical sounds better if you have a sound card or something decent to play them back on, and the AKGs sound the best, but only when they have a dedicated amp.

For a guy who admitted that he hasn't heard the audio technica headphones, you sure seem to know a whole lot about them rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

Oh and yes, I do have something against Sennheiser. They overcharge wayyyy too much just for the brand name. In the end you are not buying good headphones, you are just buying expensive ones.

No, I have heard the AD700 and can look at comparisons between the two and frequency response graphs. I know that the two don't have a completely different sound signature which is what it would need to even sound warm never mind warmer than an HD598. Thats a statement that I've never even seen anyone else claim.

What I do think is that you made a decision to hate on the HD598 before you ever even tried them on. Your opinion seems completely biased.

The op also said that he wants crisp mids and highs. That might rule out the DT990 as well. A lot of people would call that can cold and bright but no only the sennheiser has drawbacks. rolleyes.gif There isn't a single headphone in that price range without some sort of compromise.
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@ truefrogz and tjjangel

from what i have read it seems im the only one or one of the few here who as actually owned pretty much the whole range of sennheiser phones from the hd 500 to the hd 800. I also have tons of tube and solid state equipment. I do not like how either of you are talking about phones you dont own even if you have heard them who have not sat down with them months at a time to listen have you? also for some reason both of you have weird misconceptions about headphones and amps. such as "lcd2 are electrostatics" not true they are orthodynamic and i am listening to them right now. "lower end Tube amps have less detail than than their solid state counter parts" not true they have the similar amounts of detail you probably just listened to some really bad amps. i am also listening to a tube amp right now.

Truefrogz if you are so ocd about getting advice on the internet wouldn't you want advice from some one who actually owns the majority of the stuff we are talking about? Rather than some one who has heard one or two of the headphones a couple times. Research is going to get you no where with headphones, actually listening to them will.
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No, I have heard the AD700 and can look at comparisons between the two and frequency response graphs. I know that the two don't have a completely different sound signature which is what it would need to even sound warm never mind warmer than an HD598. Thats a statement that I've never even seen anyone else claim.

What I do think is that you made a decision to hate on the HD598 before you ever even tried them on. Your opinion seems completely biased.

The op also said that he wants crisp mids and highs. That might rule out the DT990 as well. A lot of people would call that can cold and bright but no only the sennheiser has drawbacks. rolleyes.gif There isn't a single headphone in that price range without some sort of compromise.

I would never compare headphones through a freq graph. there is a big difference from what your ears perceive to what the actual sound is. so a freq chart isnt going to help at all. Listening and auditioning the headphones would be the one and only way of truly comparing headphones.
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I would never compare headphones through a freq graph. there is a big difference from what your ears perceive to what the actual sound is. so a freq chart isnt going to help at all. Listening and auditioning the headphones would be the one and only way of truly comparing headphones.

Its going to help to spot differences in the same line of headphones. The ATH-AD700 and AD900 don't have an entirely different sound signature.
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I dont even know where to start in this mess gunner2.gifgunner2.gifgunner.gifsniper.gif

will go to guitar center in a few hours, then i will respond with what i like from whats on display
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I dont even know where to start in this mess gunner2.gifgunner2.gifgunner.gifsniper.gif

will go to guitar center in a few hours, then i will respond with what i like from whats on display

Bring an Ipod or some type of MP3 player. Also try best buy. I know best buy sucks, but they do have some nice headphones on display. Auditioning headphones at stores is going to give you a VERY VERY VERY VERY basic understanding of how they sound and how they fit. The headphones will sound a lot better when you pair them with a good audio setup. thumb.gif
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Its going to help to spot differences in the same line of headphones. The ATH-AD700 and AD900 don't have an entirely different sound signature.

Yes they do. The 900 series has more bass. They also use totally different drivers. As Spriggs said, using graphs is one of the worst ways to measure SQ.

@Spriggs: My neighbor owns all the sennheiser headphones. The only one he is missing are the HE-09s. My mom has the 598s on loan from my boss that I told you about. Again they do not have boomy bass no matter what you do to them.

I have not owned all of them but I have extensively auditioned all of them MANY times over. I am the type of person who has heard all of these headphones, but I do not have the disposable income to buy all of them nor do I think you need to own them to make a sound judgement. As long as you aren't judging headphones on frequency graphs alone which is what a lot of people do, I think my opinions based on hearing the headphones are going to be better then that of someone who hasn't. However, if you want to lay claim that if you have the magic bullet to make the HD600s boomy, then please share. (Also keep in mind that if only those who have owned all these headphones and have listened to them for months at a time were the only ones who could pass judgement on recommending headphones, I you and a hand full of other people would be constantly busy with helping others out. I am glad to see you being so enthusiastic about helping the audio forum but you HAVE to realize that your audio setup is FAR beyond what most people can hope to accumulate in a life time).
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