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No, I have heard the AD700 and can look at comparisons between the two and frequency response graphs. I know that the two don't have a completely different sound signature which is what it would need to even sound warm never mind warmer than an HD598. Thats a statement that I've never even seen anyone else claim.

What I do think is that you made a decision to hate on the HD598 before you ever even tried them on. Your opinion seems completely biased.

The op also said that he wants crisp mids and highs. That might rule out the DT990 as well. A lot of people would call that can cold and bright but no only the sennheiser has drawbacks. rolleyes.gif There isn't a single headphone in that price range without some sort of compromise.

First of noooo. The AD700s and even the basic AD900s are totally different the AD900x is something different still. It still does not have boomy bass. I admit that. But it is also several hundred dollar cheaper than the HD700s and if you pair the Ad900x with a good tube amp for the same price as the HD700s it will sound a lot better than the HD700 with only the sound card. That is my point.

Second off, frequency graphs are THE worst way to understand audio. There is zero argument for it. If you look at the frequency response of the Sr-007 or SR-009 you will see that the graph looks terrible. As soon as you listen to them, you will throw all your preconceptions out the window.

On your comment about me hating sennheisers before listening to them.....why on earth would I or any normal human being do that? Can you explain that to me? Plus it is simply not true. I actually really do like the HD600s and the HD700s and especially the HD800s. The PROBLEM is that A) they are all over priced by about 100-200 bucks because they have the sennheiser name - B) The particular type of bass they have is not what the OP is looking for (I didn't say they had bad bass, I said they did not have the right bass) - D) the HD700s that true frog has been recommending is exactly on the OPs 1K budget. That means that there is no room for an amp which is necessary to get the best performance out of the HD700s to begin with so it is sort of a bad move all around.

The only other thing I have been saying is that there are better options for the money in specific regards to the 598s. Spiggs even mentioned the 580s someone else mentioned the DT770s (sorry I can't remember their name).

I will say I came a bit harsh across at first, and I do apologize. I am just sick of people holding the 598s with such high regard on this website while the other great options (and IMO the better options) get completely ignored.

Lastly, I have mixed feelings about the entire range of beyerdynamic headphones. One of my classmates collects them and I have auditioned them many times, but I just don't seem to hear the poor highs that people have been complaining about. Not that I am saying you are wrong or right. I am just saying I haven't had that issue.
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Originally Posted by Tjj226 Angel View Post

Lastly, I have mixed feelings about the entire range of beyerdynamic headphones. One of my classmates collects them and I have auditioned them many times, but I just don't seem to hear the poor highs that people have been complaining about. Not that I am saying you are wrong or right. I am just saying I haven't had that issue.

Neither do I, with the 250ohm dt990 at least.
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The only other thing I have been saying is that there are better options for the money in specific regards to the 598s.

I agree, I prefer the DT990. I paid $170 for my HD598. At $250 I would have just gone with the Q701. The MSRP seems high on the 598. At around $170 I don't think that they're a bad deal especially considering the sound quality that they offer without needing an amp.
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So hd700 are $1K in the US, ok but will he still need a dedicated amp for them, aren't just 125ohms?
i will admit that my knoledge of tubes is entierly in studio, are hp amp tubes any different though?
In studios we use tubes to add warmth to a recording and never for monitoring, for the sole reason of them adding colour, im genuinly asking here, are hp amp tubes all that different?

Ok angel, fair enough on the sennys and yes the hd800 and 700 are overpriced, saying that all really high end gear is.

I really do think the op should check out head fi, it can only help him. And it is still a good site, i dont care what anyone says.

Once again though ive got to ask, why spend loads on coloured headphones? If youre spending loads surely you want sound as true to the recording as possible.

If you want booming bass, save yourself some money and get some sonys. Mdrxb1000 or mdrxb700. The hd650 is also like what youre asking for, but they are more expensive and need amping.

Btw clearly prices are very different in the UK and US, so as far as youre concerned i dont have a clue how much all this stuff is in the US.
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So hd700 are $1K in the US, ok but will he still need a dedicated amp for them, aren't just 125ohms?
i will admit that my knoledge of tubes is entierly in studio, are hp amp tubes any different though?
In studios we use tubes to add warmth to a recording and never for monitoring, for the sole reason of them adding colour, im genuinly asking here, are hp amp tubes all that different?

Ok angel, fair enough on the sennys and yes the hd800 and 700 are overpriced, saying that all really high end gear is.

I really do think the op should check out head fi, it can only help him. And it is still a good site, i dont care what anyone says.

Once again though ive got to ask, why spend loads on coloured headphones? If youre spending loads surely you want sound as true to the recording as possible.

If you want booming bass, save yourself some money and get some sonys. Mdrxb1000 or mdrxb700. The hd650 is also like what youre asking for, but they are more expensive and need amping.

Btw clearly prices are very different in the UK and US, so as far as youre concerned i dont have a clue how much all this stuff is in the US.
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So hd700 are $1K in the US, ok but will he still need a dedicated amp for them, aren't just 125ohms?
i will admit that my knoledge of tubes is entierly in studio, are hp amp tubes any different though?
In studios we use tubes to add warmth to a recording and never for monitoring, for the sole reason of them adding colour, im genuinly asking here, are hp amp tubes all that different?

Ok angel, fair enough on the sennys and yes the hd800 and 700 are overpriced, saying that all really high end gear is.

I really do think the op should check out head fi, it can only help him. And it is still a good site, i dont care what anyone says.

Once again though ive got to ask, why spend loads on coloured headphones? If youre spending loads surely you want sound as true to the recording as possible.

If you want booming bass, save yourself some money and get some sonys. Mdrxb1000 or mdrxb700. The hd650 is also like what youre asking for, but they are more expensive and need amping.

Btw clearly prices are very different in the UK and US, so as far as youre concerned i dont have a clue how much all this stuff is in the US.
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ok... after looking at all your posts i thought i might clear a few things up that might help a little. i like boomy bass, not excessive bass, and if this helps, i listen to rock like acdc, black sabbath led zep. ect, with some things like bob marley thrown in

angel, could i also maybe get a few pics of your friends amps if you so highly recommend them biggrin.gif

on my way to guitar center, will report shortly, also made a head-fi acc and linked them here... i really dont want to start a whole new debate, might as well make 1 huge one boxing3.gif
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ok after looking this is what i saw, they had the dt770 pro 80 ohm headphones. i am very impressed, and that was was with my 2nd gen ipod nano without dedicated amp with most likely mp3's. those dominated my beats, the only thing i like about my beats more than the dt770's they are battery powered, therefore better with ipods, but this is for home use.

after learning about sound sigs, i found out i want warm sounds, not boomy, i just kinda made that up hahahaha, little bit of a noob about sound sigs but im learning fast
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So hd700 are $1K in the US, ok but will he still need a dedicated amp for them, aren't just 125ohms?
i will admit that my knoledge of tubes is entierly in studio, are hp amp tubes any different though?
In studios we use tubes to add warmth to a recording and never for monitoring, for the sole reason of them adding colour, im genuinly asking here, are hp amp tubes all that different?

Ok angel, fair enough on the sennys and yes the hd800 and 700 are overpriced, saying that all really high end gear is.

I really do think the op should check out head fi, it can only help him. And it is still a good site, i dont care what anyone says.

Once again though ive got to ask, why spend loads on coloured headphones? If youre spending loads surely you want sound as true to the recording as possible.

If you want booming bass, save yourself some money and get some sonys. Mdrxb1000 or mdrxb700. The hd650 is also like what youre asking for, but they are more expensive and need amping.

Btw clearly prices are very different in the UK and US, so as far as youre concerned i dont have a clue how much all this stuff is in the US.

The HD700s are 150 ohms according to sennheiser themselves. I could not find the sensitivity rating, but I know from experience they are horrible without an amp. I was using the essence stx sound card (with the correct settings) and the SQ was kind of meh. It was good but it wasn't worth the extra 750 bucks over the Q701s by a long shot.

After having this debate, I got the HD700s and the HD800s from my neighbor and I am listening to them on the proto that Spriggs made, and they do sound a lot better. Again though, I don't see the extra 750 bucks being a worth while investment.

Oh and not all high end audio is over priced. The Hifiman stuff is actually well priced. If you think about it, the HE-400s are orthodynamic headphones for 400 and can compete with some higher end dynamic driver headphones. Actually most high end audio has pretty decent pricing especially if you can find them on sale. Heck even my Q701s I got for 170 on sale and they really aren't half bad headphones especially when you drive them properly.

As for the tube question, I am still an apprentice of master spriggs and his tube teachings. I will let him answer that one. laughingsmiley.gif I also do not know how you use them in the studio. You could use them as light bulbs for all I know upsidedwnsmiley.gif

"Once again though ive got to ask, why spend loads on colored headphones? If youre spending loads surely you want sound as true to the recording as possible."

Mehhh I see where you are going, and give me a chance to explain in detail.

First I should say that I nor anyone wants him to spend loads on colored headphones. I want him to spend less than 300 bucks on headphones, but that is only because I know from previous threads that the OP wants to focus on speakers in the long run.

As for recordings, ehhhhh it is a bit tricky. The music the OP listens to is the same thing I listen to. The recordings all suck. Unless you are using vinyl records, the music is either harsh, or tinny sounding. And believe me, I have sunk a lot of money into getting good recordings of classic rock over the years and none of it is all that great. To a certain extent, you need colored sound to bring life back into the music. I know that is a backwards concept, but if you have headphones that sound really warm, and you are listening to a song that is really tinny, they end up complimenting each other better than a pair of accurate headphones would.

Now if the OP has recordings like some of the LPs in Spriggs shop, then I would probably agree with you.

The other side of things is that regardless of how good the musicians are, sometimes the audio engineer who actually edits the music can F it up.....bad. Normally recordings are a bit on the tinny side in general for rock before they ever put the songs on a disk or LP. Again, colored headphones or warm sounding headphones can really help breathe life into the music that simply was not there to begin with but should have been.

I get the ideology behind "hear what the musicians want you to hear" and I think it is admirable, but since the reality is that so many people have screwed with the audio file that it is going to sound nothing like what the musicians wanted it to sound like anyways. So you might as well go for a sound signature in headphones that best suits your taste of the music. By that I mean if you think song A is supposed to sound like xyz but really it sounds like 123 because the music has been tampered with too much, you might as well spend half the money trying to make the music sound like XYZ rather than 1K and have it sound exactly like 123.

This gets back to tubes. Tubes are going to add harmonic distortion into the music. Meaning it will not sound accurate, but the music is going to sound warmer and have a more pleasant sound than the most accurate sound possible.

Hopefully you can now see that accuracy isn't always the best thing going for you.

Head-fi is like any other website. You have people who are really experienced and know far more than any of us combined, but there are only two or three of them. The flip side is that you have thousands of people who think beats are the best headphones on the planet. As long as you are smart enough to seek out the more senior members, than it is indeed helpful.

Also, I know the type of bass he is looking for. After saying what his music preference is, I would say it is a toss up between saving money and getting a decent dac and amp for under 1K by getting the AKG Q701s, or trying to get the hifiman HE-500 and just getting the proper tube amp while using his sound card as an amp.

Oh and OP, make sure you look for a tube amp that can do both headphones and speakers. I know you said speakers are in the pipeline, but this way you can be prepared.
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ok... after looking at all your posts i thought i might clear a few things up that might help a little. i like boomy bass, not excessive bass, and if this helps, i listen to rock like acdc, black sabbath led zep. ect, with some things like bob marley thrown in

angel, could i also maybe get a few pics of your friends amps if you so highly recommend them biggrin.gif

on my way to guitar center, will report shortly, also made a head-fi acc and linked them here... i really dont want to start a whole new debate, might as well make 1 huge one boxing3.gif

Lol this is just the proto so it doesn't look pretty just yet. I can show you what it looks like, but you have to promise to keep in mind that it would look a billion times better finished

Also, I read you latest post as well. If you are going to use these headphones with your Ipod on a regular basis, you will need a portable headphone amp for like 40 bucks.

Your ipod amps the headphones, but it does a very poor job, so headphones with lower impedance are going to sound better than ones with higher impedance with the DT770s.

That is why we are all freaking out about headphone amps if you couldn't tell tongue.gif
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