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The only gripe I have against Apple right now is how they've basically made it so in some of their Macbooks (if not all) we can't replace much, if not anything at all, but these weren't really designed with the "enthusiast" community in mind, but the stuff included can be pretty nice.
Agreed, but 95% of the population have no idea how to go about upgrading their computers anyway. And it also has the benefit of allowing for larger batteries, which I'm all for.
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still pretty expensive to its competition

Okay so lets put that up to the test. Compare it to an Alienware M17X.

For the same i7-3740QM, 512GB SSD, 16GB 1600MHz DDR3, the M17x costs £2,550, the MacBook Pro is £2,299.

The M17x has the advantage of a 660m over a 650m. But the MacBook has an infinitely better screen, it's much lighter, much better built, better trackpad, the battery lasts easily twice as long and so much more. When you look at this objectively, the Retina MacBook can't be compared to the competition because it doesn't have any.

The upgrade from 8 to 16GB costs £100 from Apple, £150 from Alienware. Who's really gouging the customer here?

The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.
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Okay so lets put that up to the test. Compare it to an Alienware M17X.

For the same i7-3740QM, 512GB SSD, 16GB 1600MHz DDR3, the M17x costs £2,550, the MacBook Pro is £2,299.

The M17x has the advantage of a 660m over a 650m. But the MacBook has an infinitely better screen, it's much lighter, much better built, better trackpad, the battery lasts easily twice as long and so much more. When you look at this objectively, the Retina MacBook can't be compared to the competition because it doesn't have any.

The upgrade from 8 to 16GB costs £100 from Apple, £150 from Alienware. Who's really gouging the customer here?

The 650M found in the retaina is an overclocked version. It's faster than a 660M.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1393606
 
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The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.

Oh honey...
Why would you go and embarrass yourself like that?
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The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.

Are you sure about that? Anandtech said that the 15" retina MacBook will play Diablo 3 at 2880x1800, so I think it is well capable of running that resolution.

Cooling performance is only an issue if the product overheats, if it stops it overheating then there's no issue. And the MacBook Pros don't overheat. They get by safely on what cooling they do have, which allows them to be absolutely silent in operation and have vents at better positions which means unlike the M17x, you can sit it on a soft surface without it overheating.

The battery on the MacBook retina is as advertised. I understand that may be hard for you to accept. But Apple do things properly, my MacBook often gets over 8 hours if I'm just sitting around browsing on it. The M17x would struggle to get half of that.

The screen real estate is what you choose it to be, the scaling works well and the point of the resolution is so that everything on screen is razor sharp, which it achieves very well. It's the same reason you have high resolution phones. It's just so that everything looks sharp and you cans discern pixelation. Image interpolation is irrelevant, you can't spot it. Even if you could, the sharpness everywhere else is more than worth it.

As you see from the post beneath you, the 650m in the MacBook is the same as or better than a 660m as used in the M17x, and I specified that they had the same CPU and both had an SSD and the same ram, how can the m17x perform better when it has equal or worse hardware?

As you see I don't have to cherry pick my results. It's better than the M17x in pretty much every regard.
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Are you sure about that? Anandtech said that the 15" retina MacBook will play Diablo 3 at 2880x1800, so I think it is well capable of running that resolution.

Cooling performance is only an issue if the product overheats, if it stops it overheating then there's no issue. And the MacBook Pros don't overheat. They get by safely on what cooling they do have, which allows them to be absolutely silent in operation and have vents at better positions which means unlike the M17x, you can sit it on a soft surface without it overheating.

The battery on the MacBook retina is as advertised. I understand that may be hard for you to accept. But Apple do things properly, my MacBook often gets over 8 hours if I'm just sitting around browsing on it. The M17x would struggle to get half of that.

The screen real estate is what you choose it to be, the scaling works well and the point of the resolution is so that everything on screen is razor sharp, which it achieves very well. It's the same reason you have high resolution phones. It's just so that everything looks sharp and you cans discern pixelation. Image interpolation is irrelevant, you can't spot it. Even if you could, the sharpness everywhere else is more than worth it.

As you see from the post beneath you, the 650m in the MacBook is the same as or better than a 660m as used in the M17x, and I specified that they had the same CPU and both had an SSD and the same ram, how can the m17x perform better when it has equal or worse hardware?

As you see I don't have to cherry pick my results. It's better than the M17x in pretty much every regard.
While macbook weights half of what m17x does and the design is just outstanding, end.
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The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.
Yeah, not sure I believe any of this.
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The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.

The ramblings of a hater.
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While I don't like the 15 Retina (the one I play with at work freezes often and once you get used to it the 1800p looks just like 1080p) it's a pretty capable performer.
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The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.
Yeah, not sure I believe any of this.

You have no choice but to believe this 'cause Apple sux
 
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