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The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.

Are you sure about that? Anandtech said that the 15" retina MacBook will play Diablo 3 at 2880x1800, so I think it is well capable of running that resolution.

There is a difference between 2d and 3d rendering processes. Anandtech also stated "lag" while viewing Facebook. [1]
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Cooling performance is only an issue if the product overheats, if it stops it overheating then there's no issue. And the MacBook Pros don't overheat. They get by safely on what cooling they do have, which allows them to be absolutely silent in operation and have vents at better positions which means unlike the M17x, you can sit it on a soft surface without it overheating.

Under demanding applications and or Youtube viewing, it achieves a much higher CPU and GPU temperature then laptops over half the price. [2]. My gaming laptop with a custom 570m that performs like a desktop GTX460 doesn't even get that bad while gaming (GPU temps are the same, though).
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The battery on the MacBook retina is as advertised. I understand that may be hard for you to accept. But Apple do things properly, my MacBook often gets over 8 hours if I'm just sitting around browsing on it. The M17x would struggle to get half of that.

The battery does not last more then 8 hours. [3]
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The screen real estate is what you choose it to be, the scaling works well and the point of the resolution is so that everything on screen is razor sharp, which it achieves very well. It's the same reason you have high resolution phones. It's just so that everything looks sharp and you cans discern pixelation. Image interpolation is irrelevant, you can't spot it. Even if you could, the sharpness everywhere else is more than worth it.

Then you have no understanding of image rendering nor what image interpolation even means. Go look it up and educate yourself.
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As you see from the post beneath you, the 650m in the MacBook is the same as or better than a 660m as used in the M17x, and I specified that they had the same CPU and both had an SSD and the same ram, how can the m17x perform better when it has equal or worse hardware?

You didn't even quote the same hardware and picked a 512 GB SSD. The Dell website I'm on doesn't even give that option.
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As you see I don't have to cherry pick my results. It's better than the M17x in pretty much every regard.

You cherry picked a gaming laptop that are not even considered the same product. You should have picked a Clevo/Sager non-Apple hater or maybe an actual laptop that compares with the device (i.e. a home laptop). A Lenovo Y580 already destroys this (and gives better screen quality, in terms of colour reproduction, at 1366x768).

[1] - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8
[2] - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/12
[3] - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/16

Your own references don't even agree with you claims.

So easy...just use your own sources.
Edited by Domino - 2/18/13 at 10:56am
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Good on Apple. The MBP line is hands down the most beautiful, sturdy, and well built laptop line on the market these days. The PC market has been how many years behind in design?

Hopefully them lowering the prices can shake some sense into blind Apple haters into actually giving their products a chance before foaming at the mouth whenever something is posted about them.
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The 650m struggles to run the basic desktop at the "retina" resolution; the cooling performance is much worse; the systems are not even of the same genre (you are comparing a gaming laptop to a home laptop; the battery on the MacBook is no where near as advertised; the screen real estate is only 1440x900 where every image outside of it's native resolution requires interpolation, making image quality worse; and overall, the M17X absolutely destroys the Macbook Pro in performance. So whatever you are trying to cherry pick for results isn't going to work.


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The 650M found in the retaina is an overclocked version. It's faster than a 660M.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1393606

Burn, what I was gonna say!
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Oh honey...
Why would you go and embarrass yourself like that?

MOAR BURN
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Are you sure about that? Anandtech said that the 15" retina MacBook will play Diablo 3 at 2880x1800, so I think it is well capable of running that resolution.

Cooling performance is only an issue if the product overheats, if it stops it overheating then there's no issue. And the MacBook Pros don't overheat. They get by safely on what cooling they do have, which allows them to be absolutely silent in operation and have vents at better positions which means unlike the M17x, you can sit it on a soft surface without it overheating.

The battery on the MacBook retina is as advertised. I understand that may be hard for you to accept. But Apple do things properly, my MacBook often gets over 8 hours if I'm just sitting around browsing on it. The M17x would struggle to get half of that.

The screen real estate is what you choose it to be, the scaling works well and the point of the resolution is so that everything on screen is razor sharp, which it achieves very well. It's the same reason you have high resolution phones. It's just so that everything looks sharp and you cans discern pixelation. Image interpolation is irrelevant, you can't spot it. Even if you could, the sharpness everywhere else is more than worth it.

As you see from the post beneath you, the 650m in the MacBook is the same as or better than a 660m as used in the M17x, and I specified that they had the same CPU and both had an SSD and the same ram, how can the m17x perform better when it has equal or worse hardware?

As you see I don't have to cherry pick my results. It's better than the M17x in pretty much every regard.

Was going to say almost all of this, then I saw this post. Thank you.
My Macbook has never overheated. Yes it gets warm on the casing, but it uses the aluminum to dissipate heat from what I've read.
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While macbook weights half of what m17x does and the design is just outstanding, end.

Exactly this, and the fact that the vents of the macbook are at the back and sides, therefore if placed on something like a duvet, it can cool itself, the m17x? Well, lets just say that it will suck every last little speck of dust through the bottom of it out of your duvet.
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Yeah, not sure I believe any of this.

Agreed.
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Originally Posted by Shrak View Post

The ramblings of a hater.

Also, agreed.
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You have no choice but to believe this 'cause Apple sux

lul. i h8 u m8.
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There is a difference between 2d and 3d rendering processes. Anandtech also stated "lag" while viewing Facebook. [1]
Under demanding applications and or Youtube viewing, it achieves a much higher CPU and GPU temperature then laptops over half the price. [2]. My gaming laptop with a custom 570m that performs like a desktop GTX460 doesn't even get that bad while gaming (GPU temps are the same, though).
The battery does not last more then 8 hours. [3]
Then you have no understanding of image rendering nor what image interpolation even means. Go look it up and educate yourself.
You didn't even quote the same hardware and picked a 512 GB SSD. The Dell website I'm on doesn't even give that option.
You cherry picked a gaming laptop that are not even considered the same product. You should have picked a Clevo/Sager non-Apple hater or maybe an actual laptop that compares with the device (i.e. a home laptop). A Lenovo Y580 already destroys this (and gives better screen quality, in terms of colour reproduction, at 1366x768).

[1] - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/8
[2] - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/12
[3] - http://www.anandtech.com/show/6023/the-nextgen-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-review/16

Your own references don't even agree with you claims.

So easy...just use your own sources.

What are you o about?
How can facebook lag?! It's not a game? It doesnt have moving things. no, just no.
My Macbook Pro has lasted easy 12 hour flights watching movies in quicktime.
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L

You sound borderline retarded.
ahahahhaha
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Good on Apple. The MBP line is hands down the most beautiful, sturdy, and well built laptop line on the market these days. The PC market has been how many years behind in design?

Hopefully them lowering the prices can shake some sense into blind Apple haters into actually giving their products a chance before foaming at the mouth whenever something is posted about them.

Thank you! £1250 for the 13" actually has me saving now biggrin.gif
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On my MBPr right now and it's running fine. I have Photoshop and Capture One open with Final Cut running in the background. Res is scaled to 1920x1200.

Just saying.
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there is weird ui lag in some things. but i think this is more software related. specifically safari lags with a lot of websites, chrome seems to be a lot better optimized. facebook lagged on safari last i checked. some software is not retina enabled yet as well. a lot of these software performance issues have been fixed over time. i suspect it will continue to improve with 10.8.3 which will be released soon. i have problems with windows performance for a few specific games though, and weird issues with sleep mode causing me to have to reset the pram.

all those issues are software related though. gtx660m+quadcore i7 performance in something that weighs 4.5 pounds is great. sure it could be beaten by a true gaming laptop with gtx670m and ability for more overclocking. but that weighs 2x as much. the mbpr is actually mobile
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there is weird ui lag in some things. but i think this is more software related. specifically safari lags with a lot of websites, chrome seems to be a lot better optimized. facebook lagged on safari last i checked. some software is not retina enabled yet as well. a lot of these software performance issues have been fixed over time. i suspect it will continue to improve with 10.8.3 which will be released soon. i have problems with windows performance for a few specific games though, and weird issues with sleep mode causing me to have to reset the pram.

all those issues are software related though. gtx660m+quadcore i7 performance in something that weighs 4.5 pounds is great. sure it could be beaten by a true gaming laptop with gtx670m and ability for more overclocking. but that weighs 2x as much. the mbpr is actually mobile

Yeah, sites like this, where you can scroll down and it keeps updating don't work right.

http://www.coolhunting.com/

It's as if it's trying to render the whole site at once.
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Remember people, retina style scaling is still very new on desktop (and laptop you know what I mean) OS. Don't flame it for little bugs.
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Originally under Lion (which the rMBP launched with) there was some lag on FaceBook and similar sites that are image heavy and/or use heavy compression for images. That's what I remember anyway. According to Anandtech the FPS would drop as low as 18, but Mountain Lion improved that substantially as web browsing was now using GPU acceleration (via Core GPU), rather than not at all or just partly.
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I just bought my daughter a Macbook Pro for Xmas. Her biggest complaint? It only had a 500GB hard drive. I find it puzzling how people are happy with only 128GB of storage on a laptop. Sure on a gaming PC or a tablet it may not matter as much but ITunes downloaded video, personal videos and everything else can take up a lot of space. I'm not a fan of cloud storage with laptops (can never count on having wi-fi everywhere).

Sure SSD's are faster, but I think the steps that companies like Asus and Samsung have taken (in my ultrabook for example) is providing a small SSD for hybrid cache and then a mechanical drive for storage. That way you get speed plus storage.

I don't see how it's hard, compress what music you have and..well, most people don't have tonnes of videos, etc and if they do they generally don't need them all the time, I have a 32GB Flash Drive, an 8GB one and a 16GB, as well as an External 500GB drive that doesn't require external power.

That said, 120GB is enough in my laptop most of the time...I had full Windows 7, The Sims 3 and all expansion packs, Sins of a Solar Empire and a few other games installed on it too.
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It's easy enough to pick up a 1 TB external if you need to store a lot of media.

Exactly, it's arguably a better solution as well because you could just then put whatever you actually need on the SSD. (eg. Going to friends house for movie night, put 5-6 good movies on ahead of time rather than your entire 1TB collection)
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Again, to all you pointless haters out there; show me an aluminum portable with the same size and weight, screen, specs, and battery life at a significantly lower price. Show me this is overpriced. Put your money where your mouth is or just shut up and stay quiet.
It also has to have a logo with an apple, right? rolleyes.gif

Because a laptop which is not made an aluminium or with screen resolution which doesn't force you to scale up everything cannot be just as effective at the same workload?

Ever heard of 95% the bang for 50% the price?

It is no wonder Apple got filthy rich so fast.

Yep, because higher PPI screens are not something we should have on every desktop and laptop.
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$2000 for a 13" laptop? Feels like the 1990's.
Except back then, this would have been new tech.
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