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post #11 of 25
2/15/13 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by dontspamme View Post

OK, thanks.

I won't butcher my DA2013 [for now].
I will put it in my little mouse graveyard I have in my cupboard here. puke.gif

Buy a roccat savu, tbh It's one of my favourites ones, the tracking on it feels like really precise like 0 correction. (not 0 but the lowest overall I've seen so far).
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post #12 of 25
2/15/13 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by vss vintorez View Post

Buy a roccat savu, tbh It's one of my favourites ones, the tracking on it feels like really precise like 0 correction. (not 0 but the lowest overall I've seen so far).

I'm afraid the sensor in the Savu would not live up to my standards.

Thanks anyway. thumb.gif
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post #13 of 25
2/15/13 at 6:07pm
The lens ot the 2013 should be the same as the one in the 3.5G. They should just drop right in. If anything the LED has changed the LOD and maybe the firmware.

Far as I can tell the DeathAdder 2013 is from the original molds that have been modified to have rubber sides. The cheapest and easiest way for Razer to "fix" the grip issues some people have.
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post #14 of 25
2/15/13 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by granitov View Post

Without calibration it's about 2-2.5mm.

That is about perfect. In my opinion. Anything from (at least) 2mm to (as high as) 2.5mm on a certain color cloth pad. I think any tracking above 3mm is not beneficial for game play. If you think about it, how comfortable is it to raise your mouse 3mm+ with your wrist on the table?
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Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

Surface related, though it's a matter adaptation.

Higher lift off isn't really an issue if you're used to the limitations.... Infact after playing with a DA3.5G left for almost a year, using a mouse like the AM is a bit annoying. Same goes for the Sensei set to the lowest possible setting ( though raising it back to default helped quite a bit).


@ OP: I'm not exactly sure if the anything was changed in terms of Avago spec'd hardware, though I have a rather good Idea of how their system works. You might be better off waiting for a FW update.

Zowie's situation is completely different.

The AM does have higher LOD than the EC eVo. On my blue Hien it loses CPI at about 2mm and stops tracking at 2.5mm. That is a problem because at 2mm you get the stuttering crosshair in game. That makes it really hard to play when you have to swipe.

The 3.5G has amazingly high LOD. Can be around 4mm, but no less than 3mm.
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post #15 of 25
2/15/13 at 8:17pm
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Originally Posted by popups View Post

Anything from (at least) 2mm to (as high as) 2.5mm on a certain color cloth pad. I think any tracking above 3mm is not beneficial for game play. If you think about it, how comfortable is it to raise your mouse 3mm+ with your wrist on the table?

Some of us virtually never lift the mouse mouse to adjust position. What else are all these giant mouse pads for anyway?

I do, however, 'hover' the mouse ever so slightly - especially when I'm doing some long range 'sniping', where I also wiggle the mouse. This is where low LoD destroys me.
And low LoD is what even the highest setting on the DA2013 has [for me].


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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The AM does have higher LOD than the EC eVo.

Lol, I'll make sure never to lay hands on the eVo, then. I have the AM, and that one is impossible for me to play with. I did change the lens, though. And now the LoD is much better (higher).

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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The 3.5G has amazingly high LOD. Can be around 4mm, but no less than 3mm.

The old DA3.5 had a near-ideal LoD for me. The CM Storm was even better.

I just wish Razer would give us the option to set the LoD much higher.
People who like low LoD could still have that. I feel Razer have given in to all the whining from certain 'pro' players about LoD.

They ought to give us a bigger range of LoD settings. Make everyone happy.
If the sensor is even capable of higher LoD, that is.
Maybe I'm screwed no matter what. mad.gif
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post #16 of 25
2/15/13 at 8:31pm
What color pad are you using? Is it cloth?
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post #17 of 25
2/16/13 at 4:41am
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Originally Posted by dontspamme View Post

I'm afraid the sensor in the Savu would not live up to my standards.

Thanks anyway. thumb.gif

The sensor performance of the Savu is excellent, very good tracking rates at 800 and 400 CPI @1000 Hz. And the LOD is not the lowest, don't know if it's enough for you though. I switched from DA 3G to Savu and would consider this an improvement in terms of sensor.
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post #18 of 25
2/16/13 at 7:06am
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What color pad are you using? Is it cloth?

Black and gray. (QCK and Puretrak Talent)

Tested it on Icemat and Shiden-Kai. Needless to say the LoD is virtually non-existent on those.
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post #19 of 25
2/16/13 at 7:18am
Maybe try out a red mouse pad. I doubt it will work, but it did with the Zowie. It didn't with the 3.5G, but this isn't that mouse.
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post #20 of 25
2/16/13 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

The sensor performance of the Savu is excellent, very good tracking rates at 800 and 400 CPI @1000 Hz. And the LOD is not the lowest, don't know if it's enough for you though. I switched from DA 3G to Savu and would consider this an improvement in terms of sensor.

I do very fast swipes when I play.
The only mouse that could keep up with those was the G400 @ 800DPI. (even the DA3.5 can't keep up, though I never tested it at lower DPIs)

The new DA2013 sensor is a godsend for me - performance-wise. It can keep up perfectly well, even at 6400DPI. Its amazing. (if it weren't for that LoD mad.gif)

Without having tested the Savu, I'd be willing to bet that it wouldn't keep up with my swipes, I'm afraid.
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