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Sounds to me like you guys are not measuring the right thing. My Asus AMD board reads 1.8v at the same spot,regardless of CPU settings. Maybe thats why you get no response besides "measure from vprobe."

Also I know for FACT there is a paid Asus employee going around various forum's and trying to trash Asrock's boards about their CPUv readings.They are aware of it,and likely figure anyone trying to make a big deal about this is the same guy.
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Sounds to me like you guys are not measuring the right thing. My Asus AMD board reads 1.8v at the same spot,regardless of CPU settings. Maybe thats why you get no response besides "measure from vprobe."

Also I know for FACT there is a paid Asus employee going around various forum's and trying to trash Asrock's boards about their CPUv readings.They are aware of it,and likely figure anyone trying to make a big deal about this is the same guy.
it sounds like you're reading the PLL voltage, it is probably on a different capacitor.
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Sounds to me like you guys are not measuring the right thing. My Asus AMD board reads 1.8v at the same spot,regardless of CPU settings. Maybe thats why you get no response besides "measure from vprobe."

Also I know for FACT there is a paid Asus employee going around various forum's and trying to trash Asrock's boards about their CPUv readings.They are aware of it,and likely figure anyone trying to make a big deal about this is the same guy.

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it sounds like you're reading the PLL voltage, it is probably on a different capacitor.

What he said basicly, just measure all capacitors, obviously they might not be in same spots for each motherboard.
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im on asus's side, asrock shouldve not stolen the first two letters!
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[edit] i've read multiple reviews talking about the overvolting with LLC 1 and some at LLC 2.
the consensus seems that LLC 3 will give a slight droop when under load. this is the setting i use.
that way i can stress test till it's stable and should stay stable at idle.

if you use LLC 1 or 2 there is chance of being stable under load while overvolting
then being unstable as the voltage drops at idle. i saw a post where it was 24 hours+ prime stable, but crashes at idle desktop.

NO ONE PANIC! these are good boards. unless your throwing a ton of voltage @ 5Ghz or using liquid nitrogen, i highly recommend this board thumb.gif

2500K @ 4.4Ghz @ 1.25v LLC 3 (CPU-Z reads 1.23v) [/edit]

has anyone measured their actual vcore under load with LLC on 5 (lowest setting) or disabled if that's possible? i'd take some droop vs overvolting any day.
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Now that was a very interesting read, and inspired me to measure the "real" voltage for my Z77 Pro3 as well. Results are below (yeah, it shows similar symptoms).

It's just a pity that noone posted back the results for the non-Asrock boards here. Did the discussion continue somewhere else? I'm really curious what other boards do (not) show the same behaviour.


Results:


Showing about 0.030v to little in idle and around 0.050v under Prime. Unfortunately I had to use my boxed cooler for this test, as my Macho HR-02 blocked access to the pins on the back side. And boy, that boxed cooler really really sucks, couldn't even get the test with 0% LLC (=full LLC) to work for a longer period of time, as I was hitting 105°C thermal throttling...


I did also test the VT-1 pin on the front of the board, which had a tendency to show a bit less volt (grounded against a Molex cable), but on some occasions did even show a bit more. However the difference was never greater than 0.008v.
The VT-1 pin seems to be somewhat nearer on the Pro3 though (it's the little dot above the socket, on the right of the three capacitors).


LLC levers are also quite interesting. LLC 0% (= full LLC) shows fewer Vcore in CPU-Z under load, but actually more than in idle with the multimeter reading. Much like what Sin's video proved previously.
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nice job, the Z77 Pro3 actually uses an STmicro PWM instead of the intersil one, an L6718, so your readings will be a bit different. BTW i think ASRock their lowest LLC level is their strongest, your 0% is stronger than your 100% . Your board might actually not have the same issue as the others, it uses dencent MOSFEts.
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Yep, Asrock got it backwards for the LLC on the Pro3. 0% = full LLC and 100% = LLC disabled. No idea why.
That did cause me some trouble while finding my max overclock, as I was trying with 0% the whole time, thinking I'm running without LLC.

Btw, I was just about write "but according to your VRM list, the MOSFETs on the Pro3 are pretty abysmal!", and then I realized that you classified the Extreme4 with a wooping 1 and the ones on the Pro3 with a 2.
So it's actually bad, just not as bad. wheee.gif
But still suffering from heavy thermal throttling due to VRM overheating.


PS:
Did you do the tests on the Gigabyte boards, and if yes, did you published them somewhere?
Edited by spoonium - 4/1/13 at 4:56pm
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yea i did, just didn't take pictures to prove because they weren't out of wack. They are in my reviews of some boards, others not. The E4 got a 1 just because it has D-PAKs, and the Pro3 only got 2 instead of 3 because of the number of phases total.
Here is the UD5H:


UP7:


Up5:


Yea there is a huge difference between the two brands, but all the boards above also cost a lot more than the E4 and Pro3.

Also all the manufacturers use the same UEFI base shell, and when it was early days of X79 with the GB UEFI the LLC highest level was also 0%, and then they changed it to 100% and then they just made levels up(renamed for marketing). ASROck traditionally has their LLC reversed, but its not really reversed as just how the code was made. It is correct to say strongest LLC is at 0% drop under load and 100% drop under no LLC actually, but it is easier for users to understand higher is more, however ASRock provides a graph in their UEFI to help you.

It is a pain sitting there with a DMM and writing down all the LLC levels, isn't it? lol, sometimes it is interesting to investigate, and that is why I did it, i honestly didn't expect there to be such variation. I am glad you took the time and made it into a table, i like the effort.
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It is a pain sitting there with a DMM and writing down all the LLC levels, isn't it?
Man, you don't want to know how my room looked when I did this! I don't have such a nice benching table like you do, so it was much more improvised (that's the correct euphemism for "total mess", isn't it? biggrin.gif).

I've also just stumbled across your double review of the Extreme4 & Extreme6, and interestingly it shows pretty much the same figures that I measured for the Pro3. That is, ~0.030v difference on idle and ~0.050v under load.

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