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There is no reason that any consumer electronic device could not be easily serviceable. It's all about cost. I'm pretty sure most people will agree that the huge corporations putting these things out can afford that slight added cost. It will barely even be noticeable with all the profit-padding that goes on in the industry.

you dont get it, the smaller things get the more things get integrated into a smaller scale. consumer electronics used to be serviceable but ICs has replaced most of these components. things are getting to a micro scale of integration that you cant fix things with just a soldering iron

ram and flash storage will soon be soldered on etc

good luck upgrading that CPU on the surface
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you dont get it, the smaller things get the more things get integrated into a smaller scale. consumer electronics used to be serviceable but ICs has replaced most of these components. things are getting to a micro scale of integration that you cant fix things with just a soldering iron

ram and flash storage will soon be soldered on etc

good luck upgrading that CPU on the surface

I've opened up plenty of modern smartphones. Most of the common problems are easily fixable if not for the deliberately difficult dis/reassembly. Same goes for everything right up to modern desktops, although to a lesser degree and some are certainly better than others.

Show me a tablet where every single piece of it is on-package, including it's screen, buttons, camera lenses, and case - then you can make your argument again.
Edited by Zero4549 - 2/13/13 at 6:36pm
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Looks like TT didn't understand the duck tape satire. A possible justification for the glue was to avoid the use of screw holes on the exterior which the user would feel as they held the device. Also, it would make more sense that its design would be mostly driven by produceability and reliability costs rather than some manager saying, "Make this device un-fixable to the average user (who probably wouldn't be fixing it themselves in the first place)."

I don't really expect devices to get any easier to repair in the mobile space as manufacturers integrate more components to save power, weight, and space. A lot of the components tend to be custom making them almost as costly as the device itself to replace.
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still what did they expect, its a ultra thin tablet not a laptop like the current macbooks which is barely serviceable as well

did they expect user serviceable parts in a phone?

There is no reason that any consumer electronic device could not be easily serviceable. It's all about cost. I'm pretty sure most people will agree that the huge corporations putting these things out can afford that slight added cost. It will barely even be noticeable with all the profit-padding that goes on in the industry.

Why would they though? There is no reason to add cost to the device on their end. I mean to make the surface fully servicable, by everyone, they would have had to add machining to the body and layers. Then add screws and probably some assorted padding and a latch.

That may increase the manufacturing costs by 2-3$ per unit and then add in the extra parts 1-2$. That is a cost of 3-5$ per unit, this is just an example so lets just take the low end of 3$ per unit of added cost to add that functionality. So 3$ over lets say 1,000,000 units and you instantly see why they didn't do it. Using strong industrial adhesive allows them to cut costs, while maintaining the ever slimmer form factor that people are clamoring for.

In all honesty, servicing a surface is along the lines of servicing a laptop or ipad. No average consumer would even think about working on their laptop or tablet. They take it in to where they purchased it or RMA it taking advantage of the warranty.

You may want it, but you are not an average consumer.
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I've opened up plenty of modern smartphones. Most of the common problems are easily fixable if not for the deliberately difficult dis/reassembly. Same goes for everything right up to modern desktops, although to a lesser degree and some are certainly better than others.

Show me a tablet where every single piece of it is on-package, including it's screen, buttons, camera lenses, and case - then you can make your argument again.

This ^

I have tore down so many consume electronics, we are far from the point of electronics truly being unserviceable by consumers. Have they gotten more difficult over the years? Yea, to a degree. Not to the point we shouldn't be allowed into the products we purchased.
    
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ATIV 700T is .5mm thinner.

I opened mine yesterday with a credit card and some patience. Confirmed mushkin 480gb workability, too
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post #17 of 66
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ATIV 700T is .5mm thinner.

I opened mine yesterday with a credit card and some patience. Confirmed mushkin 480gb workability, too

You're a brave man o_o

It may be thinner, but it's lengthier in all other dimensions and NOWHERE near as sturdy......although I caught my four year old nephew using it like a surfboard last weekend.......(a child almost died that day) and it suffered no damage which is nice.
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With these devices, compromises. Compromises everywhere. tongue.gif
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post #19 of 66
Guess weshould complain we can't add L1 cache to our CPUs....

These are pretty specialized products, if anything, more people would break something than not by going inside their tablets. ( assumption) I sure as hell wouldn't want to open my baby
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Guess weshould complain we can't add L1 cache to our CPUs....

These are pretty specialized products, if anything, more people would break something than not by going inside their tablets. ( assumption) I sure as hell wouldn't want to open my baby

People will try to open them anyway when they invariably find a way to cram them into their back pants pocket and proceed to sit on them. The only difference between a properly serviceable gadget and one shoddily glued together such as this one is that when someone attempts to open it, this style guarantees breakage where serviceable designs allow one to be more careful.
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