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Compared to the plethora of other tablets that are a pleasure to open and don't have soldered components?

I'm not comparing it to other tablets, I'm comparing it to my hypothetical ideal, or at the very least, something I'd be inclined to use.

I've ruled out most other tablets already.
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Why wouldn't you compare a tablet to a tablet, or to be more precise, why would you have assumed that this tablet in particular would not have the same characteristics typical of a tablet?
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"lowest score possible?"

I would consider that a challenge. Next revision requires a cutting torch to open the outer shell.
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"lowest score possible?"

I would consider that a challenge. Next revision requires a cutting torch to open the outer shell.

Screw that; Microsoft should make a cutting torch required to open the retail PACKAGING of the next revision. tongue.gif
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Again, assumptions. Can you say without a shadow of a doubt that the adhesive absolutely, positively, isn't critical to this device, which you did not design nor manufacture? Have you ever worked with anyone managing supply chains or manufacturing of hardware? Cause it certainly doesn't sound like it.

And a replacement plan "worth the trouble?" Like, going online, typing in your serial number for your product, and attaching a two-year $99.00 service plan that covers any and all hardware failure, manufacturing or accident related failures? Yeah, that one. $50.00 a year to have full replacement warranty on a premium device, even if you slam the device against a wall in frustration or take it for a swim. That is MORE THAN REASONABLE. I will gladly pay $4.00 a month to have Microsoft replace my device in the event that I do something stupid to it or if it has a material defect.

And please, none of that, "I can afford a $1,000 tablet and a couple hundred more in accessories, but won't shell out an extra $50-100 bucks to cover said device" bs. It would be dumb NOT to pay for such an option, and even dumber instead to drop the thing, break the screen, and then go out of your way to purchase a replacement screen, and then take the time to repair it, break something else, buy a replacement for that, take the time to repair it, etc. Buy the coverage, get it replaced. Or maybe that's just "not worth the trouble."

1) Ever heard of a screw? How about a latch? No? Figures.

2) Don't know about you, but I personally don't constantly break anything I own. It would be utterly idiotic to for me to spend $50 a year on a "service plan" so that 3 or 4 years down the line I can go through the inconvenience of having to mail the thing in for "replacement" and wait a few weeks for them to ship back the same, still-broken item now covered in someone else's finger prints, body oils, and an assortment of scratches inflected in the process of trying to open their own unserviceable-assembled device.

"Oh but Zero, don't you know they just give you a new one now instead of attempting to fix it?" Yeah, keep dreaming. You get either A) your own "repaired" item or B) A "refurbished" item that someone else sent in and they figure it is "good enough that we think you won't notice the damage" - whichever is cheaper. Their standard measure of "repaired enough" consists of "Did device power on with at least one of 3 attempts made while plugged into a charger, if so, item is "repaired"."

Yeah, no thanks, I'll just do it myself the one time it MIGHT need it, and know that it actually got fixed right. Right away, for less cost, and without having to lose all my data.
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1) Ever heard of a screw? How about a latch? No? Figures.

2) Don't know about you, but I personally don't constantly break anything I own. It would be utterly idiotic to for me to spend $50 a year on a "service plan" so that 3 or 4 years down the line I can go through the inconvenience of having to mail the thing in for "replacement" and wait a few weeks for them to ship back the same, still-broken item now covered in someone else's finger prints, body oils, and an assortment of scratches inflected in the process of trying to open their own unserviceable-assembled device.

"Oh but Zero, don't you know they just give you a new one now instead of attempting to fix it?" Yeah, keep dreaming. You get either A) your own "repaired" item or B) A "refurbished" item that someone else sent in and they figure it is "good enough that we think you won't notice the damage" - whichever is cheaper. Their standard measure of "repaired enough" consists of "Did device power on with at least one of 3 attempts made while plugged into a charger, if so, item is "repaired"."

Yeah, no thanks, I'll just do it myself the one time it MIGHT need it, and know that it actually got fixed right. Right away, for less cost, and without having to lose all my data.

not arguing with you on anything, but that 50 bucks thing isn't a bad idea.

I don't smoke/do drugs/drink and drive/drive like retard.....but I still have health insurance and car insurance. Why? (other than that we're required), accidents happen. What if somebody else walks by your desk and knocks your surface over and cracks it on the ground? Punching them in the penis won't fix your surface. But that insurance plan will smile.gif
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not arguing with you on anything, but that 50 bucks thing isn't a bad idea.

I don't smoke/do drugs/drink and drive/drive like retard.....but I still have health insurance and car insurance. Why? (other than that we're required), accidents happen. What if somebody else walks by your desk and knocks your surface over and cracks it on the ground? Punching them in the penis won't fix your surface. But that insurance plan will smile.gif

I'm not entirely sure of your conclusion. I think we should test this with multiple iterations to really be sure it wouldn't fix your surface pro.
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Why wouldn't you compare a tablet to a tablet, or to be more precise, why would you have assumed that this tablet in particular would not have the same characteristics typical of a tablet?

It has many characteristics that are atypical of most tablets, which is what attracted me to it.
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not arguing with you on anything, but that 50 bucks thing isn't a bad idea.

I don't smoke/do drugs/drink and drive/drive like retard.....but I still have health insurance and car insurance. Why? (other than that we're required), accidents happen. What if somebody else walks by your desk and knocks your surface over and cracks it on the ground? Punching them in the penis won't fix your surface. But that insurance plan will smile.gif

It will certainly stop them from doing it again however. A single time $50-100 fee for a new screen I can properly put in myself is a lot smarter than a reoccurring $50 fee that doesn't really fix the issue half of the time, and when it does, it usually introduces new issues.

There are some things I can't fix or easily replace myself (take, for instance, my internal organs). For those things I will be more than happy to pay for a reasonable insurance plan. As a technically competent individual however, I don't see why I should pay more for less when it comes to electronics repair.

Gluing the thing together, sticking "void if removed" stickers, and roadblocks just makes my (and anyone who actually fixes your insurance-covered device once you send it in) job more frustrating and potentially dangerous. It doesn't actually stop me.

It's a shady practice designed to get people to give up and pay more rather than solve their own issues. It doesn't really help anyone, it just hurts people who know better and drives them away.
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Simple if the product was assembled someone will take it apart.
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