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Comparing intel on board with an APU makes no sense really but ok. I understand that amd is making a step towards having this "fusion" of gpu/cpu but honestly I wouldn't buy that for ONE major reason.

I love gpu waterblocks, and the elegance they add to a loop.

ATM though the APUs are just not built for pc gamers...... I dont know a single pc gamer who doesnt like having eye candy, APU just cant give it.

Intel "onboard?" doesn't exist anymore, all not E intel cpu's are "apu's" with a graphics chip on die, it's not amd's fault they are crushing intel in at least this one point.
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What's the sense of Trinity, if you were to get a dedicated GPU?

dlee, you have absolutely no freaking idea of how Trinity performs, how it works, what target market it has, nor ANYTHING concerning it.

Please, do your honor a favor. Go away.
HD5670 beating a 8800GT by a 10%. Seems that chart is a little bit... skewed.

1680x1050, DX9, low. LOL. What kind of settings are those. 1920x1080 DX11 is where the fun's at. Before you ask, Trinity is well capable of it.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_5670_review_(crossfire_tested),1.html

Seems your HD5670 source is a bit... wrong, to say it softly.
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the 5670 1GB GDDR5 is better than the onboard 7660d, Run DX11 at 1920x1080 on both cards and tell me what you get. The chart you showed is old anyway and the 5 series drivers are very mature now. Guy was saying a 5670 could "never" beat a 7660d. The 5670 is basically the same class gpu as the 7660d. The 5670 actually has an unfair advantage as it is using gddr5 over system memory. Point is 5670 is older and been on the market for years.

Also I know how Trinity works, its just dumb to recommend it to a serious gamer who will be hindered by it longterm when you realize the top it maxes out in crossfire is a 5770, which was a mid range 2010 card. If someone is a BF3 player or wants to be, your pretty much setting them up for a disappointment even though Trinity is technically "new tech". Its just a die shrink of a gpu class thats been on the market for years. For someone saying its for HTPC, Bobcat is for that already. For laptop gaming i would recommend Trinity any day of the week.

5800k is more attractive than an i3 cost wise overall out of the box. Alot of people out there who buy computers are super broke and cheap minded and prob like 14-16. Starting off with 5800k and the 7660d with intentions to put a 560ti in it later on is not a bad idea for a kid who is broke and doesn't have a job yet. At least he starts out on something comparable to a 360 gpu so he can game right away and play Just Cause 2,etc.
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Kinda overboard. Anyways even oc the thing wont help gaming "much"

Its a cheap solution for a rig that does SUPER light gaming, like flash games.... If you are going for a real gaming computer you would go for a i5 or 8320/50 and a REAL graphic card. I find the A10 a pretty interesting all in one processor though. Paves the way for 7970s on a cpu (even though I dont want that)

Flash gaming? Are you ****ting me?

www.youtube.com/user/techismycologne.


I play Arkham Asylum on High settings @ 1920 x 1080.

I max League of Legends on MAX settings @ 1920 x 1080

I play WOW on High settings w/ 4x AA and achieve over 50FPS average @ 1920 x 1080

I can play Battlefield 3 on medium settings @ 1920 x 1080 without a single noticeable frame drop

I CAN play Crysis on HIGH settings @ 1920 x 1080.


I HAVE EXPERIENCE with this processor. I downgraded from a 3820 @ 4.5GHZ and a dedicated 7870 IceQ.

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the 5670 1GB GDDR5 is better than the onboard 7660d, Run DX11 at 1920x1080 on both cards and tell me what you get. The chart you showed is old anyway and the 5 series drivers are very mature now. Guy was saying a 5670 could "never" beat a 7660d. The 5670 is basically the same class gpu as the 7660d. The 5670 actually has an unfair advantage as it is using gddr5 over system memory. Point is 5670 is older and been on the market for years.

Also I know how Trinity works, its just dumb to recommend it to a serious gamer who will be hindered by it longterm when you realize the top it maxes out in crossfire is a 5770, which was a mid range 2010 card. If someone is a BF3 player or wants to be, your pretty much setting them up for a disappointment even though Trinity is technically "new tech". Its just a die shrink of a gpu class thats been on the market for years. For someone saying its for HTPC, Bobcat is for that already. For laptop gaming i would recommend Trinity any day of the week.

5800k is more attractive than an i3 cost wise overall out of the box. Alot of people out there who buy computers are super broke and cheap minded and prob like 14-16. Starting off with 5800k and the 7660d with intentions to put a 560ti in it later on is not a bad idea for a kid who is broke and doesn't have a job yet. At least he starts out on something comparable to a 360 gpu so he can game right away and play Just Cause 2,etc.

If you know someone with a 5670 willing to run benchmarks on it, I am willing to bet my 7660D will do ever so slightly better in most scenarios. I don't think your far off on the performance figures.
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Flash gaming? Are you ****ting me?

I HAVE EXPERIENCE with this processor. I downgraded from a 3820 @ 4.5GHZ and a dedicated 7870 IceQ.
If you know someone with a 5670 willing to run benchmarks on it, I am willing to bet my 7660D will do ever so slightly better in most scenarios. I don't think your far off on the performance figures.

I never was the one who advocated it could only run flash games......

problem is that in order to optimize the APU you need to ddr3-2133 which is 15 bucks higher than ddr3-1600 in say a 2x4gb kit. Thats all fine and dandy until you are expecting more performance down the line and you decide to get a 6670 1GB....

Well the 6670 1GB DDR3 memory runs slower than 2133 so in crossfire it's going to run at the cards lower speed so your ddr3-2133 is now wasted and your out 15 bucks. If you get a 6670 1GB GDDR5 its going to run at the ddr3-2133 mark and not the GDDR5 speed which is optimized for GPU usage. The 6670 1GB GDDR5 is near 90 bucks in alot of circles so its a waste to go that route as well as that 15 dollars you saved in the beginning could notch u up to a 7750/7770 instead of crossfiring it and getting worse performance than simply just going with a good dedicated card down the line for not much more and skipping the crossfire route all together.

90+15= HD 7770

5800k is fine by itself and better value than the i3, just costs more to run in crossfire and performs worse than a dedicated card you could get by not getting the ddr3-2133 or getting the GDDR5 version of the 6670, which is overpriced and won't run at the GDDR5 spec in Crossfire in this scenerio. Also Crossfire would still have problems as not all games out there run well on it compared to a dedicated.

Honestly if thats not the truth tell me what is, I want to be proven wrong on this as I more about learning and not trying to act like I know it all. If I am missing a factor somewhere I will happily admit it.
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I never was the one who advocated it could only run flash games......

problem is that in order to optimize the APU you need to ddr3-2133 which is 15 bucks higher than ddr3-1600 in say a 2x4gb kit. Thats all fine and dandy until you are expecting more performance down the line and you decide to get a 6670 1GB....

Well the 6670 1GB DDR3 memory runs slower than 2133 so in crossfire it's going to run at the cards lower speed so your ddr3-2133 is now wasted and your out 15 bucks. If you get a 6670 1GB GDDR5 its going to run at the ddr3-2133 mark and not the GDDR5 speed which is optimized for GPU usage. The 6670 1GB GDDR5 is near 90 bucks in alot of circles so its a waste to go that route as well as that 15 dollars you saved in the beginning could notch u up to a 7750/7770 instead of crossfiring it and getting worse performance than simply just going with a good dedicated card down the line for not much more and skipping the crossfire route all together.

90+15= HD 7770

5800k is fine by itself and better value than the i3, just costs more to run in crossfire and performs worse than a dedicated card you could get by not getting the ddr3-2133 or getting the GDDR5 version of the 6670, which is overpriced and won't run at the GDDR5 spec in Crossfire in this scenerio. Also Crossfire would still have problems as not all games out there run well on it compared to a dedicated.

Honestly if thats not the truth tell me what is, I want to be proven wrong on this as I more about learning and not trying to act like I know it all. If I am missing a factor somewhere I will happily admit it.

I wasn't referring to you on the top part of the comment. I was referring to the 7660D vs 5670 debate. The games I listed are games I have played with the iGPU itself. I'm trying to make people understand how impressive the 7660D really is, because SO many people downplay it. People like iMica.

He was claiming that the iGPU in the A10 is only capable of "Light gaming" and "Flash games" which is extremely, extremely false. It's gaming capable. I prove that every day.

I honestly agree with you. I have first hand experience and AMD's Dual Graphics solution isn't that great of a solution. You have all the same hassles as you do with a traditional crossfire setup. Microstuddering, lack of support, ect. I'm actually going to be looking into selling mine at some point soon. I'll probably sell my 6670 + A10 in a combo deal and purchase a Richland based A10 when it comes out, regardless of the small increase in performance.
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I wasn't referring to you on the top part of the comment. I was referring to the 7660D vs 5670 debate. The games I listed are games I have played with the iGPU itself. I'm trying to make people understand how impressive the 7660D really is, because SO many people downplay it. People like iMica.

He was claiming that the iGPU in the A10 is only capable of "Light gaming" and "Flash games" which is extremely, extremely false. It's gaming capable. I prove that every day.

I honestly agree with you. I have first hand experience and AMD's Dual Graphics solution isn't that great of a solution. You have all the same hassles as you do with a traditional crossfire setup. Microstuddering, lack of support, ect. I'm actually going to be looking into selling mine at some point soon. I'll probably sell my 6670 + A10 in a combo deal and purchase a Richland based A10 when it comes out, regardless of the small increase in performance.


I think he was just trying to infuriate the guy who was being super irrational in this thread earlier. I don't think he was being serious about the flash comment. L4D2 runs great on a 7660d and that def is not a flash game and its one of the most popular games on PC.

I still think you would be surprised at the results of a 5670 1GB GDDR5 vs 7660D benchmark in 2013. I want to be proven wrong on this as well.
    
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In my town (8GB HyperX 1600MHz costs like 75$ already with normal sticks 67$ To us, USD to SGD conversion is 1:1.2, but in the shops it's a different story) It's only a small price difference to upgrade to 2133 (Massive performance margins!)

Here's the cost of a low-end i3 build vs a A10 build (If you only have 500$ budget)

Motherboard+CPU : Gigabyte B75M-HD3+i3 3220 $249
Memory : HyperX 1600MHz (It's just worth the slight price premium for a better looking build plus it's CL9) $75
With this setup you're going to only get 10FPS at
Total cost : $324

Motherboard+CPU : AsRock FM2A75M-DGS+A10-5800k $254
Memory : G.Skill Ares 2133 CL9 $103
Total cost : $357
Test is run with Corsair DDR3-1866

This is where AMD will own Intel's arse. Badly. Without a GPU, after all APUs were meant to go towards a future of integrated combined computing power. Did AMD mention gaming? Not.
Plus it's easier to install and get going. who knows if you might get a DOA discrete GPU?

And that's what my friends will probably play ever and Dota 2

Of course i didn't say CF-ing a A10-5800k was ever a good idea but that is if you want to (Isn't that what laptop manufacturers do? You can get high framerates on a A6-3400M on high @ 1366x768 at Dirt 3. A similarly priced 15.6" Intel i3-2310M (Back in llano) laptop only comes equipped with a laptop lowly-clocked HD3000)
And no, you can't find the i3-3225 in my town
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Plus it's easier to install and get going. who knows if you might get a DOA discrete GPU?

Do you work at Best Buy by chance?
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This is where AMD will own Intel's arse. Badly. Without a GPU, after all APUs were meant to go towards a future of integrated combined computing power.

You saying this type of statements will just cause the reverse to happen for AMD which I dont even want. You are a bad luck charm for AMD.
Ever considered the Via Platform? Thing is your a johnny come lately AMD fan anyway based on this post in another thread.
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If you can get a i5 2500k easily anymore tell me, every single shop i've gone too sold out!




I don't believe english is your first language or you just like to cause drama as its been established the 5800k is a better value than the i3. Just not worth crossfiring it later on.

I am an Intel user right now and I would chose many AMD products over Intel in certain areas.

So let your hotpocket cool down a bit, fire up your free promotional copy of Dirt 3 on 1366 and enjoy the rest of your night.

/thread.
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Typo error. And english is my first language, when i was young our government didn't put a huge emphasis on english
Unless i'm from britain that is
"Your" Neither is your english great either, there is a HUGE difference between "your" and "you're"

But isn't it a fact that you can not get a 2500k easily unless i go onto ebay and risk the shipping, ebay trolls and such because i can get a A10-5800k cheaper than i can get a i5-2500k for what i wanna do.

About the Dirt 3 promotional copy, i never had a laptop. 1366 is simply the highest resolution those screens will max out at

Oh i forgot you're one of the largest trolls on this thread.
(Explanation of a typical Intel fanboy+troll : Never stops choosing AMD over Intel until the day they die and has a Intel sticker on his profile picture and never stops defending Intel)

How far can your i5-2500t overclock to huh intel FANBOY troll? Tell me, i would like to know because the PD+G41 i'm using right now as a replacement for my dead C2Q+P45 combo.
Now, how far do you think i'm a AMD fanboy? I've been using Intel rigs ever since i was a kid and these are all my rigs not my dad's.
My first rig as a kid was a PII 400MHz dad brought back from work and after that a PIII 800MHz (Dad brought it back home again) a few years later when i got a little older then i got a Athlon FX-53
Which when AMD started to suck i switched to a C2D E6600 (2006) then when 45nm C2Q came out i got a Q9400 (this was in 2008) Which i used up to last year when my Q9400 is officially dead i took my PD rig i put outside as a HTPC into my room and started using it as a transition system
AMD fanboy, really? REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? REALLY?

*It's still afternoon here
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Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
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FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
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Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
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Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
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AMD Ryzen 7 1700 ASRock X370 SLI Killer Zotac GTX1070 "FE" with ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Crucial BallistiX Sport LP 16GB 8x2GB 
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Zotac SSD Premium 480GB OCZ Vector 180 480GB Hitachi 7K3000 3TB 7200rpm ID Cooling Frostflow 240L 
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ID Cooling Frostflow 240G Phanteks F140MP x2 CoolerMaster Silencio FP120 x2 Phanteks F140SP 
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Delta AFB1212SH x2 Dell U2713HM CM Storm MECH FSP Aurum PT 1200 
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Phanteks Enthoo Pro Logitech G102 Tesoro Aegis X3 Virtus.Pro AKG K7XX 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700k Gigabyte Z170X-UD5 Depends Depends 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitorKeyboard
Plextor M5S Depends Dell U2312HM CM Storm Quickfire Rapid-i 
PowerMouse
FSP Aurum PT 1200 CM Storm Mizar 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 2600 4GHz Gigabyte Z77X D3H Intel HD Graphics 2000 obviously Kingston HyperX Genesis 4X4GB DDR3 1600 
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
Intel 530 240GB Deepcool Captain 240 Arctic Cooling Bionix 140 Delta AFB1212L 
OSPowerCase
Windows 10 Pro CoolerMaster G750M NZXT Switch 810 
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