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Motherboard+CPU : Gigabyte B75M-HD3+i3 3220 $249
Memory : HyperX 1600MHz (It's just worth the slight price premium for a better looking build plus it's CL9) $75
With this setup you're going to only get 10FPS at
Total cost : $324

Not necessary to spend $100+ on an intel motherboard and $75 on DDR3 ram to play Left 4 Dead 2.
newegg prices:
i3 3220 $130
ASRock B75M-DGS $63
G.SKILL (2 x 2GB) 1333 cas9 $26
cost: $219 + cost of dedicated graphics card + everything else which is needed.
     
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Dude look at my country.
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Dude look at my country.

Your proposed core i3 budget build is not a true budget build. It is an overpriced intel "budget" build to make your amd build look better.

Feel free to counter my build with another build based on prices which can be verified online.
     
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Motherboard+CPU : AsRock FM2A75M-DGS+A10-5800k $254
Memory : G.Skill Ares 2133 CL9 $103
Total cost : $357
newegg prices
ASRock FM2A75M-DGS $60
G.SKILL Ares (2 x 4GB) 2133 CL9 $59
A10-5800K $130
Total cost: $249 + everything else

Still $30 more expensive than my intel build (of course without dedicated graphics card)
Let me further add ...
FM2A75M-DGS is a terrible board for a A10-5800K.
Unlike core i3 ivy bridge, A10-5800K has 100W TDP.
For long life and to avoid apu throttling it's a good idea to put a heatsink on the VRM's.
ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M has a VRM heatsink and costs $71 (newegg price).

Total cost: $260 which is $41 more than my core i3 (without graphics card) build.

Here's a used 5770 with DDR5 ram for $65
http://www.overclock.net/t/1358088/reduced-xfx-radeon-hd-5770

6750 for $65
http://www.overclock.net/t/1355474/new-xfx-6750-1gb

GTS 450 $55 or best offer
http://www.overclock.net/t/1362489/evga-gts-450

There are plenty of used graphics cards for sale in the $40-$80 range which will equal or outperform your A10-5800K graphics.
Edited by Partol - 2/20/13 at 6:11am
     
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honestly the best place to buy lower end gpus is from geeks.com

http://www.geeks.com/products.asp?cat=VCD
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I didn't overprice the freaking build. That's what i would recommend if you wanted anywhere near reliability and prices are already very low on that particular board on the store i'm choosing from (This is not the ******* USA dude)
As for THAT asrock Pro4-M board i can't find it anywhere in my town. Geez THIS is why i hate all tech forums
The a75m-dgs isn't discussed so much but it doesn't seem to suffer the same problem as the ITX version
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I didn't overprice the freaking build. That's what i would recommend if you wanted anywhere near reliability and prices are already very low on that particular board on the store i'm choosing from (This is not the ******* USA dude)
As for THAT asrock Pro4-M board i can't find it anywhere in my town. Geez THIS is why i hate all tech forums
The a75m-dgs isn't discussed so much but it doesn't seem to suffer the same problem as the ITX version

IF you dont like the cold logic that can follow in a tech forum then just leave the thread, if you let your position dictate your thought process your going to end up short on this debate. If you need to then look up local prices and also newegg prices so people can see the difference for themselves. Almost any versed forum user is familiar with google and use it for currency conversions, mediocre translations and etc. Its not difficult at all, I recommend laptops to friends of mine that live in S. Korea, just give us the link and we can take it from there usually.

I dont like bringing used parts into these kinds of threads because then people dictate that its not fair for the price range to compare high end "legacy" parts to newer architecture that is lower performance. Many members that make builds for friends or family know that a i7 9x0 can be had for 100 bucks or less, motherboards are also dirt cheap as well which throws out everything lol. You will need a dedicated GPU, sure. However like others have mentioned in their posts a decent performance GPU is not hard to find. GTS 450 being a popular choice or a GTX 460 which on most intel board can SLI pr XFIRE down the road if your continuing the budget idea.

1156/1366 and even 775 on some degree are still very valid chipsets even if the socket itself is dead. Software has still a lot of work to do to catch up, and will still perform pretty well until the console refresh. I sold my PC not long ago to continue my education but when I was gaming my i7 930 @ 4.2Ghz and GTS 450 950 core played just about every game that I played on a daily accordance. So it begs the question, why get FM1/2 when we still have cheap and better performing components? I think the main reason would be for warranty but beyond that I cant be sure myself, not saying the reason isnt there I just cant think of it at the moment
    
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As for THAT asrock Pro4-M board i can't find it anywhere in my town. Geez THIS is why i hate all tech forums
The a75m-dgs isn't discussed so much but it doesn't seem to suffer the same problem as the ITX version

When I first booted my Athlon X4 750k and went into bios, it showed Vcore at more than 1.4V
I never saw such a high Vcore at stock (I did lower the Vcore). almost did not believe my eyes.
A10 5800K turbo's up to 4.2GHz, so it will need more stock Vcore than a core i3.

no vrm heatsink is, in my opinion, a big mistake, for a 100W TDP apu.
For core i3 with graphics card, no VRM heatsink is not a problem.
I've never heard of a motherboard VRM burn out from a non-overclocked core i3 with separate graphics card.
But there are plenty of cases of amd boards which burn out.
It's not fair, but AMD buyers should generally avoid cheap, heatsink-less motherboards.

I personally would not buy the a75m-dgs. But if you do buy it, undervolt it as much as possible, and dont even think about overclocking on that board.
     
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I know. I can find LGA1366 boards for ~100$ ... from china biggrin.gif But even a used i7-920 is not cheap ...
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What's wrong with this thread eek.gif

DaveLT provided an Intel based build with similar CPU power as an A10-5800K, and you say he's overpricing things?

I'm sorry but... What's exactly overpriced, besides Intel's pricing decisions?
   
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A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen R7 1700 Gigabyte GA-AX370-Gaming 5 Sapphire HD 6950 2GiB 2x8GB KFA2 HOF DDR4-3600 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
Crucial MX100 256GB Seagate 600 Series 240GB Seagate 7200.14 2TB Samsung F3 1TB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
EKWB Supreme HF XSPC Rasa GPU EK XT360 EK 4.0 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
W10 Pro LG IPS235 LG E2250V KUL ES-87 
PowerCaseMouseAudio
SF Leadex II 650W Lian Li PC-A05NB Logitech G9 Xonar DX 
AudioAudio
SMSL SA-S3+Technics CB-250 Sennheiser HD555 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
AMD A10-5700 Gigabyte F2A75M-HD2 G.SKILL Ares 2133 CL9 Hitachi 5K750 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Momentus .7 200GB Noctua NH-L9a Server 2012 R2 Standard AUO B156HW01 
PowerCaseOther
PicoPSU-80-WI-25V AIO Aluminium Handmade TP-Link Archer Something Something Wi-Fi AC 
CPUCPUCPUMotherboard
Core2Duo E6400 Core2Quad Q6600 Pentium Dual Core E5200 AsRock 4COREDUAL-SATA2 R2.0 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveOptical Drive
A dumpload of ancient AGP cards Kingston Value DDR2-667 CL4 2T @CL3 1T Seagate 160GB 7200.10 LG IDE DVD-ROM 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Ghettomade CPU waterblock 49cc 2stroke engine copper radiator WinXP SP2 32bit ProView 17" 
PowerCase
Tacens Radix V 550W Ghetto aluminium bench 
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