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That's because they tested a game that doesn't support CrossfireX. Horrible, horrible review and a horrible choice of games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8jl_bousRo

Edited by M3T4LM4N222 - 2/13/13 at 11:18pm
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That's because they tested a game that doesn't support CrossfireX. Horrible, horrible review and a horrible choice of games.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
that's my point, even in games without good support the systems were comparable.
there aren't many apu dual graphics reviews out there.
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FYI that second link you got is the dumbest idea anyone could do unless they're doing it for fun.

They're paying $40-80 more price premium for 2400 RAM... that pushes you closer to 7770 territory which we haven't yet talked about overclocking.
you obviously didn't read the thread, it's about performance.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-a6-5400k,3224-5.html
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Dunno where you're getting your numbers from it's not universally better.

It is faster. Software is not mostly singlethreaded anymore. Plus the A10 can overclock, both the CPU and the IGP. The i3 is stuck at stock speeds.

And it costs the same.

To me, the i3 and low end i5s are absolutely out of the question, as the APU provides a much, much better value than them (giving similar CPU performance but up to 4X better graphics performance) and if you step into higher price tags (until around the 170€ mark), the FX83xx series dominates that segment.

Edit: And the step from 2133 to 2400 is very small, as you can appreciate. Mostly because they are loosening the timings so much, that latency hurts the performance more than the increase in speed improves it.

My memory kit can do 2300 at 9-11-10 with 1.7V, and I'm quite sure it would largely outperform Tom's test bench.


The A10 processors are something one needs to experiment by himself. I was expecting some nice IGP performance (aroud that of a Core2Duo and a GT430, or so; I thought back then). But when I got it, and started gaming on it at 1920x1080... I honestly couldn't believe that an IGP could be SO powerful. smile.gif
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I have a A10-5800K and I don't think dual graphics is worth it. The bulk of the expense is for short term gaming performance.

I do think the A10-5800k is the best budget buy, period.

I don't understand the argument that the chip loses its value later on when you upgrade to a discrete card. Pricing wise and performance wise, comparing it to a FX-4300 or i3, the iGPU is free. It can also power a 7970 just fine.

So in retrospect, if you were to go Intel + inexpensive discrete, and then upgrade later to a better discrete card. That would be a waste of whatever money you spent for the inexpensive discrete card.

Basic number comparison

$125 i3 + $100 inexpensive GPU + $250 GPU later = $475 including $100 wasted on inexpensive GPU.
$125 A10-5800K + $250 GPU later= $375 and perhaps you can use that $100 saved for a $350 GPU!'

A few FPS is not worth $100.

Plus, FM2 is supported for 3 years!
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I have a A10-5800K and I don't think dual graphics is worth it. The bulk of the expense is for short term gaming performance.

I do think the A10-5800k is the best budget buy, period.

I don't understand the argument that the chip loses its value later on when you upgrade to a discrete card. Pricing wise and performance wise, comparing it to a FX-4300 or i3, the iGPU is free. It can also power a 7970 just fine.

So in retrospect, if you were to go Intel + inexpensive discrete, and then upgrade later to a better discrete card. That would be a waste of whatever money you spent for the inexpensive discrete card.

Yep, this. Any middle-hardware you buy, is a waste of money.

I never understood the whole 'I buy this to hold off to buy that when X launches'.

Hell, just stick to what you have and buy X when it launches! Buying anything in the middle is just wasting money.
   
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Plus, FM2 is supported for 3 years!
I think that this is largely being overlooked here. It's a good point to add to the rest of what the chip does right. 1155 is supposed to be EOL.
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I think that this is largely being overlooked here. It's a good point to add to the rest of what the chip does right. 1155 is supposed to be EOL.
Another thing people overlook is that FM2 will be the first home of HSA.

Right now people think of FM2 as a "crippled socket" with cacheless CPUs, when it's not the case long term or in the near future.
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Another thing people overlook is that FM2 will be the first home of HSA.

Right now people think of FM2 as a "crippled socket" with cacheless CPUs, when it's not the case long term or in the near future.

And they forget that Steamroller, and most certainly yet another iteration, will also come to FM2.

AMD has been shifting resources towards FMx platforms, even launching a FirePro lineup of APUs.

I could see an AMx end before FMx.
   
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Yep, this. Any middle-hardware you buy, is a waste of money.

I never understood the whole 'I buy this to hold off to buy that when X launches'.

Hell, just stick to what you have and buy X when it launches! Buying anything in the middle is just wasting money.

Your are right, i never see myself updating my cpu as I find it cheaper just to upgrade to a different mobo/cpu every year or so whether Intel or AMD(Usually AMD when they offer a free motherboard as a 300 mobo has never been important to me). I see some people who started off on a Core 2 Duo and ending up on a Q9550, yet in my opinion it costs you more longterm when you do that as you can just look at ebay and see old technology being higher than the newer stuff that is better. I laugh when I see someone wanting more for a dual core 939 opteron and DFI board thats used when its cheaper to get a new 22nm cpu and a pci 3.0 board.

The people on a Q6600 could have upgraded to a Phenom II X6 some point for almost an even swap if you were patient on finding good deals and found the right buyer on Amazon. I have sold so many Q6600's and used the cash to buy a X6 and a free motherboard like 3 different times already. There is a large segment of the computer population who still are waiting to upgrade to a Q6600 because they aren't smart enough to realize AMD has offered free board combos for years on processors that are better along with DDR2 which can still be used with an X6.
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Instead of a A10 5800K (socket FM2), consider buying a Athlon II X4 750K (socket FM2) + discrete graphics card
In my area, Athlon II X4 750K costs $50 less than A10 5800k.
no need to buy fast, expensive ram when using a discrete graphics card.

My old Q6600 PC (for work) recently broke while moving it, and I'm planning to replace it with the Athlon II X4 750K (for work PC).
For serious gaming, I would choose core i3 or higher.
Currently, I'm playing planetside 2 which is one of the most cpu bottlenecked games ever.
My overclocked core i3 530 @ 4.15GHz only does 30fps in very large battles.

In case anyone is interested, my core i3 530 @ 4.15GHz can create rar files (in winrar) approximately 3 times faster than my old 4-core Q6600 @ 3GHz.
     
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Athlon II X4 750k Asus F2A85-V MSI GTX 750 Ti Team 2x2GB 
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Kingston SSD V300 120GB Zalman CNPS5X performa + Arctic MX-4 Windows 7 64-bit Asus VW222 22" LCD 1680x1050 
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FSP 460W Foxconn TSAA-426 
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Pentium G3258 @ 4.4 GHz ~1.38Vcore ~1.9Vccin Ri... MSI H81M-P33 Asus GTX 750 Ti OC + Thermalright HR-11 backsid... Transcend 2x2GB @ 1400MHz (5-7-5-18) ~1.62V 
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Intel SSD 330 240GB ZM CNPS5X (not performa) + 120mm fan (push) Windows 7 64bit Acer GD245HQ - 1920x1080 120Hz - Nvidia 3D Vision 
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FSP 500W Enermax Phoenix Neo + 220mm Globefan (side) Creative Titanium HD + Beyer DT 880 - 250 ohm 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Athlon II X4 750k Asus F2A85-V MSI GTX 750 Ti Team 2x2GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Kingston SSD V300 120GB Zalman CNPS5X performa + Arctic MX-4 Windows 7 64-bit Asus VW222 22" LCD 1680x1050 
PowerCase
FSP 460W Foxconn TSAA-426 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Pentium G3258 @ 4.4 GHz ~1.38Vcore ~1.9Vccin Ri... MSI H81M-P33 Asus GTX 750 Ti OC + Thermalright HR-11 backsid... Transcend 2x2GB @ 1400MHz (5-7-5-18) ~1.62V 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Intel SSD 330 240GB ZM CNPS5X (not performa) + 120mm fan (push) Windows 7 64bit Acer GD245HQ - 1920x1080 120Hz - Nvidia 3D Vision 
PowerCaseAudio
FSP 500W Enermax Phoenix Neo + 220mm Globefan (side) Creative Titanium HD + Beyer DT 880 - 250 ohm 
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