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Also consider 5800K have 100W TDP and 3220 have 55 W TDP, if you intend to keep CPU heat and power consumption(at load) to a minimum for your MATX/MINI-ITX Rig the i3 give you a better option. If you are going to use a 7870/660 with your rig get the i3, if you are going to Hybrid CF with a 6670 or use the IGP get the A-10.

With how competitive Trinity is against Ivy i3 I wonder if Intel would introduce Ivy/Haswell i3s with Turbo(K SKU is probably too much to ask and cannablize non-K i5 sales somewhat).
The 3220 might have 55W TDP but it's very much false. a 3770k uses more power despite being lower TDP


In my price comparisons mixing a i3 and a 7870 is going to be a lot more expensive than a A10-5800k with a 6670
Or if you got a proper motherboard (Well you probably should) you will get virtu mvp and pair that up with a 7850 for some apu madness, in the sense that the HD7660D can be used for background rendering which has so much more power than a weakling 3220's iGPU but you dont even need 2400 RAM, just 1866 is the sweet spot plus with G.Skill's ARES/Ripjaws X you can OC it to 2133 without any issues
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For the love of GOD dont CF the APU with HD 6670. The whole idea of the APU is so you dont used a dedicated GPU. The funny thing is APU + GPU ~ 20-50% faster then APU alone but only ~ 10% faster or even slower sometimes compare to the GPU. Much better off getting something like 7750. It will destroy the APU + HD 6670. Yes a Core i3 + HD 7750 will be a lot faster in games then 5800K + HD 6670. Not sure if there are ITX mb for AM3+ but your better off getting FX6300. If anything getting Core i3 leaves you better option to upgrade. FM2 might last but no FM2 CPU will ever beat 3770K.

Huh? I don't understand this part : "but only ~ 10% faster or even slower sometimes compare to the GPU" And BTW, the 7750 will magically increase the price of the i3 build
And dont bring in cheap intel motherboards into the chat either because some idiot on a local forums said a z77-d3h + 3220 and a GT640 will be cheaper and faster (Which isn't, the GT640 is slower than a 6570) and the z77-d3h unbeknownst to him has problems with POSTing with IVB
If you talk about equal performance boards (like a z77 Extreme6) and peripherals a i3-3220 with a 7750 is going to be more expensive than a10-5800k + extreme6 plus you CAN easily OC it crazily
And your 3770k argument is idiotic ==, i don't think AMD ever wanted to plot these APUs against a 3770k and it was supposed to be cheap

APUs are supposed to be cheap with decent GPU performance not to cover a entire range, if you want a 3570 fighter you can have a FX8350 instead
Oh bloody hell
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post #52 of 144
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Also consider 5800K have 100W TDP and 3220 have 55 W TDP, if you intend to keep CPU heat and power consumption(at load) to a minimum for your MATX/MINI-ITX Rig the i3 give you a better option. If you are going to use a 7870/660 with your rig get the i3, if you are going to Hybrid CF with a 6670 or use the IGP get the A-10.

With how competitive Trinity is against Ivy i3 I wonder if Intel would introduce Ivy/Haswell i3s with Turbo(K SKU is probably too much to ask and cannablize non-K i5 sales somewhat).
The 3220 might have 55W TDP but it's very much false. a 3770k uses more power despite being lower TDP


In my price comparisons mixing a i3 and a 7870 is going to be a lot more expensive than a A10-5800k with a 6670
Or if you got a proper motherboard (Well you probably should) you will get virtu mvp and pair that up with a 7850 for some apu madness, in the sense that the HD7660D can be used for background rendering which has so much more power than a weakling 3220's iGPU but you dont even need 2400 RAM, just 1866 is the sweet spot plus with G.Skill's ARES/Ripjaws X you can OC it to 2133 without any issues
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For the love of GOD dont CF the APU with HD 6670. The whole idea of the APU is so you dont used a dedicated GPU. The funny thing is APU + GPU ~ 20-50% faster then APU alone but only ~ 10% faster or even slower sometimes compare to the GPU. Much better off getting something like 7750. It will destroy the APU + HD 6670. Yes a Core i3 + HD 7750 will be a lot faster in games then 5800K + HD 6670. Not sure if there are ITX mb for AM3+ but your better off getting FX6300. If anything getting Core i3 leaves you better option to upgrade. FM2 might last but no FM2 CPU will ever beat 3770K.

Huh? I don't understand this part : "but only ~ 10% faster or even slower sometimes compare to the GPU" And BTW, the 7750 will magically increase the price of the i3 build
And dont bring in cheap intel motherboards into the chat either because some idiot on a local forums said a z77-d3h + 3220 and a GT640 will be cheaper and faster (Which isn't, the GT640 is slower than a 6570) and the z77-d3h unbeknownst to him has problems with POSTing with IVB
If you talk about equal performance boards (like a z77 Extreme6) and peripherals a i3-3220 with a 7750 is going to be more expensive than a10-5800k + extreme6 plus you CAN easily OC it crazily
And your 3770k argument is idiotic ==, i don't think AMD ever wanted to plot these APUs against a 3770k and it was supposed to be cheap

APUs are supposed to be cheap with decent GPU performance not to cover a entire range, if you want a 3570 fighter you can have a FX8350 instead
Oh bloody hell

An i3 and a 7870? Who mentioned that other than the guy that's way out there?

Nope. Your graphs don't prove they go over TDP...
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post #53 of 144
PRIME 95 + FURMARK = FULL LOAD !








- AMD A10-5800K
- ASROCK FM2 A75 PRO4 M
- KINGSTON BEAST 2X4GB (8GB) DDR3 1866Mhz (1,65V)
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1) KINGSTON SSD 120GB SATA III
2) HITACHI 7K 1000D 1TB SATA III
3) SAMSUNG SPINPOINT F3 1TB SATA II
- WIFI TP LINK PCI-E X1 CARD
- DVD-RW SATA II
- 1X 120mm & 1x 140mm
- BEQUIET SYSTEM POWER 7 300WATT
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PRIME 95 + FURMARK = FULL LOAD !








- AMD A10-5800K
- ASROCK FM2 A75 PRO4 M
- KINGSTON BEAST 2X4GB (8GB) DDR3 1866Mhz (1,65V)
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That's not full load... even folding doesn't produce that much heat...
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The best choice for budget gaiming pc is :

AMD ATHLON II X4 750K (TRINITY QUAD CORE, UNLOCKED) + 7770 /7850 !!!

Asrock FM2 A75 PRO4 M is cheap and very very good !!
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That's not full load... even folding doesn't produce that much heat...

This is not the real world power consumption ! This is the biggest which that apu have... (system with 3 hdd)

Idle = 25 - 33watt

20% = power losses from PSU ... smile.gif

+ 8Watt for 1,65v memory
Edited by adtakhs - 2/16/13 at 1:06am
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They have a 6670 ddr5 version? I had 2 6570s ddr3 I ran,a couple months back in cf and the performance just put a smile on my face! Iam assuming when u crossfire the A10 the results schould be similar to crossfired 6570s if not better! Op what resolution do you plan on using with your A10?i was gaming at 1360x768 with my 6570s if u plan on going say 1900x1080 u might wanna rethink your approach,i tested my old 6570 the other day at 1900x1080 average fps 14 with,games maxed out....if u run a lower resolution u schould pick up alot of fps! Then again maybe the A10 is ok for higher resolutions....not sure,id read some benchmarks before I bought anything..good luck
     
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I say lets focus on helping the op instead of attacking other members lol,dude just ignore them,as soon as u see an intel guy in,a amd thread u know hes not here to clean your carpet! It never fails I see it in,every thread but it is funny I wont lie.....quick grab the popcorn! Lol
     
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Er, just as a clarification, let me drop around here that TDP means Thermal Design Power, alias the power the heatsink should be able to dissipate.

Not the power consumed by the CPU. Which sometimes is close to the processor power consumption, but mostly it is not. FX-8150s had a 125W TDP, but their power consumption was twice that.
   
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I always knew CPUs draw what they put out. How the heck did the FX-8350 put out 1/2 the consumption? I doubt it even actually had anything near 125W, probably really like 223W TDP since it's hot and slow
Everything a CPU draws are just power leakages and that's not something that you can argue because i am a electronics engineer for my career biggrin.gif

(Just to clarify: I have been a AMD fanboy for a long time but i still support AMD)
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