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3650? Dafuq? Has your head been shot to hell? It performs like a HD6570. Which if you are inclined to trace back generations means a thereotical HD4870

"Dual Core" Trinity CPU's perform closer to a Radeon X1950GT with the 3650 not far behind.

4870 512MB is on par with a 7750 1GB

6570 DDR3 is more like a 4670,not a 4870.

The highest end A10 with the 7660D is on par with a 9600GSO 768MB GDDR3.
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So you're going to skip the 5000 series? Fanboy. Meter. Overloaded.

Done at 4XAF 4XMSAA

4XAA 16X Aniso
On par my foot
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that 1st chart doesn't even show what cpu is being used and number 2 you arent even comparing the same game because u looked on google and thats the best you could find lol
    
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Seriously? You think they would put a CPU that would hold a 9600GSO back? It's a Intel Core2Duo E7200
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Seriously? You think they would put a CPU that would hold a 9600GSO back? It's a Intel Core2Duo E7200
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Seriously? You think they would put a CPU that would hold a 9600GSO back? It's a Intel Core2Duo E7200

Source Engine is CPU Dependent.

You cant trust old benchmarks because most reviewers arent going to put a 9600gso 768 up against a 7660d with the same exact CPU because they are lazy.

also the chart you showed was for a GeForce 9600gso 384MB GDDR3 , the GSO I am talking about is the 768 which can handle 1920 much better. The system ram on that chart was with 1066 ram, the 5800k is being tested with 2133 ram.
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Source Engine is CPU Dependent.

You cant trust old benchmarks because most reviewers arent going to put a 9600gso 768 up against a 7660d with the same exact CPU because they are lazy.

also the chart you showed was for a GeForce 9600gso 384MB GDDR3 , the GSO I am talking about is the 768 which can handle 1920 much better. The system ram on that chart was with 1066 ram, the 5800k is being tested with 2133 ram.


For the record, a c2d has no problem running source engine at 150fps, the obvious bottleneck in both scenarios is the vid card.
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For the record, a c2d has no problem running source engine at 150fps, the obvious bottleneck in both scenarios is the vid card.

correct, the main qualm I had is that the poster I was talking to believes the 7660D is vastly superior to a 9600gso 768 and with the 9600gso having 2007-2008 upper mid performance so why would the 7660D, even crossfired, be a good gaming solution for 2013 and the future?
    
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Seems like the dual core K Trinity's gpus are basically on par with the 9500gt/3650 and the A10's are basically like a 9600gso/4670. I guessing if you crossfire it with a 6670 then you could get 6750 like performance which isnt' bad for WOW/Diablo 3 type games at 1680 on full.

In the end it seems like just going with a FX 4300 or i3 along with a 7770 to start out with seems like a better option on a budget as i was having problems playing Far Cry 2 on max settings with a GSO back in 2008 and thats basically what the a10 is starting out. I am also convinced DDR3 isn't good for gaming. I had a 6670 ddr3 1GB and it performed much worse than my 5670 gddr5 1gb.

I am wondering however if the dedicated is gddr5 if it improves performance more than the ddr3 versions or if the gpu itself comes more into play in xfire over the memory bandwidth. It just seems like you are paying for new tech that basically caps out at 5750 performance which was really a mid range 2010 card.

The Virgo is super sexy for a laptop but as my main desktop for the future?

Im using the a10 with the gpu oc'd to 975mhz and feeding it 2133mhz ram. The performance is greater than a 6670 ddr3, but less than a 6670 ddr5 (when comparing 3dmark scores from the 3dmark website). It can handle some games pretty well, others not so much. I am able to run Skyrim at 1920x1200 high setting AA off 40fps. For those debating where the 7660d gpu ranks among its peers I'd suggest heading over to the 3dmark website and seeing some real user benchmark scores.

If I were to buy a discrete card for gaming Id probably get a 7750, not a 6670 for dual graphics. The price difference is only a few US dollars. AMD has presented a nice option for tinkering, and maybe it will be a good option in the future as an upgrade path...but as of now DG is just a novelty.

The a10 does not offer a future proof GPU, but it is good enough for most and a terrific value. For the same money as an i3, you get a capable GPU tossed in and similar CPU performance.
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Im using the a10 with the gpu oc'd to 975mhz and feeding it 2133mhz ram. The performance is greater than a 6670 ddr3, but less than a 6670 ddr5 (when comparing 3dmark scores from the 3dmark website). It can handle some games pretty well, others not so much. I am able to run Skyrim at 1920x1200 high setting AA off 40fps. For those debating where the 7660d gpu ranks among its peers I'd suggest heading over to the 3dmark website and seeing some real user benchmark scores.

If I were to buy a discrete card for gaming Id probably get a 7750, not a 6670 for dual graphics. The price difference is only a few US dollars. AMD has presented a nice option for tinkering, and maybe it will be a good option in the future as an upgrade path...but as of now DG is just a novelty.

The a10 does not offer a future proof GPU, but it is good enough for most and a terrific value. For the same money as an i3, you get a capable GPU tossed in and similar CPU performance.

Great post. If I was going to pick a APU for an extreme budget it would be the A6 5400K as it is basically an unlocked
dual core Bulldozer with 9500GT graphics. Some around here may their nosed turned up with that but I believe most people looking for advice and just wanting to play games like Skyrim,Diablo 3,Left 4 Dead and the Rome Total War series could get alot of value out of that particular platform setup if they are super broke. Granted you will be playing at 1366x768 and probably on medium high settings but if a game is fun like those are and you are getting good framerates I don't see the issue at all if you are a non-enthusiast. Skyrim is just as fun to me on 1366 as it is on 1920 as I am more immersed in the actual gamplay than say Metro 2033/Crysis where its more about the graphics and is less fun somehow. I once bought a 6950 just to play Metro 2033 because I bought into the hype that those games are "fun". It didn't even play the way I expected and I found myself going back and playing Killing Floor on a 4770 having 3 times the fun....

For more serious gamers going BF3 style and 1920 or above, the A10 makes zero sense to me.Even after you crossfire it you are still getting subpar performance for what you are wanting to experience. Then you are looking into getting something like a GTX 560 TI to actually play it somewhat well.Finally, the onchip GPU is now just sitting there dormant on a platform that even with the update to Richmond will still lag seriously behind the 560 TI. You could have just gone with say a FX 4300 and a 7770 with intentions to Crossfire it later to 7850 territory, which will be good for a while in the gaming world.You will have a decent experience from the start instead of going into the bios overclocking the iGPU, selling your 1600 ram for 2133 for a 5 frame boost, running 3DMark and wondering why this "new" platform makes you feel like you downgraded yet spent more money in doing so. I had a moment of clarity when I realized "Why did I even buy this platform as a Phenom II X4 and 4770 played this game perfectly 3 years ago".

If AMD's onchip GPU could coexist with say a 7850 and both work together in game then I would happily trade my current Intel Rig right now for it and take the CPU hit. The current A10's are basically low power 9600gso gpu's when it comes down to it and every review site eats up that its faster than a HD4000 instead of focusing how it compares to GPU's that have been on the market for years.
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photoshop CS6

a10-5800k = killer !!!thumb.gifbiggrin.gif

So, Adobe finally implemented OpenCL in their products? Last time I heard they were CUDA whores.
I guess Apple's choice of AMD GPUs for their high end stuff made then change boats.
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To a person with 2 intel builds. Both K parts.
Seriously?

Actually he's quite right. Richland is like the 2700K was to the 2600K, CPU wise. GPU wise, they've touched here and there, and we're getting about a 20% improvement which is rather decent.
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