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Seems like the dual core K Trinity's gpus are basically on par with the 9500gt/3650 and the A10's are basically like a 9600gso/4670. I guessing if you crossfire it with a 6670 then you could get 6750 like performance which isnt' bad for WOW/Diablo 3 type games at 1680 on full.

In the end it seems like just going with a FX 4300 or i3 along with a 7770 to start out with seems like a better option on a budget as i was having problems playing Far Cry 2 on max settings with a GSO back in 2008 and thats basically what the a10 is starting out. I am also convinced DDR3 isn't good for gaming. I had a 6670 ddr3 1GB and it performed much worse than my 5670 gddr5 1gb.

I am wondering however if the dedicated is gddr5 if it improves performance more than the ddr3 versions or if the gpu itself comes more into play in xfire over the memory bandwidth. It just seems like you are paying for new tech that basically caps out at 5750 performance which was really a mid range 2010 card.

The Virgo is super sexy for a laptop but as my main desktop for the future?

More like 6670 performance.
Edited by M3T4LM4N222 - 2/19/13 at 1:07am
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More like 6770 performance.

depends on if u get a gddr5 6670 and those are close to 90 bucks. Id rather get a 7750 over it at that point.

still topping out at a 6770 cough 5770 isn't an impressive feat longterm.

Dual core Trinity K is a better option for the price since it basically makes the AM3 Athlon II X2 line obsolete since they are at similar pricepoints after total build cost. The Trinity gives u double the gpu performance with a better cpu to boot. That is the only Trinity that has a good value.

The 5800k crossfired is giving mid range performance I already had back in 2010 with a Phenom II X4 and a 5770. I can already get those two older components cheaper than building a new crossfired A10 Trinity.
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depends on if u get a gddr5 6670 and those are close to 90 bucks. Id rather get a 7750 over it at that point.

still topping out at a 6770 cough 5770 isn't an impressive feat longterm.

Dual Core Trinity is a better option for the price since it basically makes the Athlon II X2 obsolete since they are at similar pricepoints after total build cost. The Trinity gives u double the gpu performance with a better cpu to boot. That is the only Trinity thats a good value.

The 5800k crossfired is giving mid range performance I already had back in 2010 with a Phenom II X4 and a 5770.

Sorry, I actually meant 6670, iGPU performance wise, not the 6770.
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Sorry, I actually meant 6670, iGPU performance wise, not the 6770.

the 5800k is a good choice if you have no older parts laying around and no gpu. In that case I would get it over the I3 3220 as you are getting much better graphics at the expense of a 10 to 15 percent peformance hit in some games which I am fine with. That leaves the FX 4100/4300 as the CPU left in the dust unless you had an Athlon II X2 250 on AM3+ and are upgrading.

in the end the 5800k makes sense if u are not buying a dedicated GPU but want more for your money. If you are getting say a 560ti starting off for BF3 then the 5800k shouldn't be a candidate. If you are planning on saving up for a bigger GPU later then dont even crossfire the APU as you wont get the performance needed longterm to play games coming out in the future.

Buy 5800k and use the 7660d until u can save up money
buy a 560ti or 7870 6 months from now. Dont buy a 6670.
Profit!
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I built a A10 rig for the lulz and honestly I wouldn't game on it. (If that is what you plan to do)

Cross firing with a dedicated just seems stupid and a waste of money, to me at least. If this rig is for like LIGHT LIGHT gaming then yea A10 is a great choice. Other wise save money and get a real graphic card...
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I built a A10 rig for the lulz and honestly I wouldn't game on it. (If that is what you plan to do)

Cross firing with a dedicated just seems stupid and a waste of money, to me at least. If this rig is for like LIGHT LIGHT gaming then yea A10 is a great choice. Other wise save money and get a real graphic card...

Summed it up perfectly.

My last two cents.

If the APU could work together with say a 7850 in games with the APU handling certain tasks then I would be on Trinity right now.

or if

If the APU had 5770 performance starting out and crossfired to 5850 levels I would be on Trinity right now.

If AMD would have made the bold steps and actually did that then there would be no reason to ever buy an Intel CPU except the i5/i7. The 5770 performance would have been hard to do because of the thermal envelope but making it so their whole line of GPU's work together across the board in some capacity was realistic.

AMD just has a bunch of products on the market that are either just die shrinks of old technology or gimmicks to appeals to noobs hence Trinity.

Intel and Nvidia did the same thing under different masks but I had more respect for AMD as they are suppose to be for the little guys who were loyal to them for so long.
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Now you're trolling.
Trinity is a VERY cheap overclockers and a fun challenge. Seriously if you mock trinity 1 more time i'm going with a hammer to your head
Can't you tell who it will appeal to? Overclockers on a budget and i've been a AMD overclocker since 2009 surely it will appeal to me

OK, IF you want to fully OC a Ivy you have to get a H75/Z77 board with a K processor. None of that is required here you fool

Come to think of it, THE A10's iGPU is faster than your current rig's 5670 will ever be so stop being jealous that AMD managed to fit a 66W TDP HD6670 into a IGP which has a hardly-efficient Piledriver core lacking L3 cache*
I'm pretty sure the piledriver core on it's own already has about 80W TDP as the FX-4300 is similarly clocked and at 95W TDP
Sure the drive down to 32nm solved it but i'm pretty sure it's a major redesign
The HD6670's TDP is 66W so don't forget, we aren't so many generations ahead that AMD can shoehorn a VLIW5 (Different platform, HD6770) 108W TDP GPU into a 32nm package.
No, you probably need 22nm to get it down to 50W without redesign. It's already impressive enough that they can shoehorn a

But guess what? You've got no brains
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Now you're trolling.
Trinity is a VERY cheap overclockers and a fun challenge. Seriously if you mock trinity 1 more time i'm going with a hammer to your head
Can't you tell who it will appeal to? Overclockers on a budget and i've been a AMD overclocker since 2009 surely it will appeal to me

OK, IF you want to fully OC a Ivy you have to get a H75/Z77 board with a K processor. None of that is required here you fool

Come to think of it, THE A10's iGPU is faster than your current rig's 5670 will ever be so stop being jealous that AMD managed to fit a 66W TDP HD6670 into a IGP which has a hardly-efficient Piledriver core lacking L3 memory
I'm pretty sure the piledriver core on it's own already has about 80W TDP as the FX-4300 is similarly clocked and at 95W TDP
Sure the drive down to 32nm solved it but i'm pretty sure it's a major redesign
The HD6670's TDP is 66W so don't forget, we aren't so many generations ahead that AMD can shoehorn a VLIW5 (Different platform, HD6770) 108W TDP GPU into a 32nm package.
No, you probably need 22nm to get it down to 50W without redesign. It's already impressive enough that they can shoehorn a

But guess what? You've got no brains
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Now you're trolling.
Trinity is a VERY cheap overclockers and a fun challenge. Seriously if you mock trinity 1 more time i'm going with a hammer to your head
Can't you tell who it will appeal to? Overclockers on a budget and i've been a AMD overclocker since 2009 surely it will appeal to me

OK, IF you want to fully OC a Ivy you have to get a H75/Z77 board with a K processor. None of that is required here you fool

Come to think of it, THE A10's iGPU is faster than your current rig's 5670 will ever be so stop being jealous that AMD managed to fit a 66W TDP HD6670 into a IGP which has a hardly-efficient Piledriver core lacking L3 cache*
I'm pretty sure the piledriver core on it's own already has about 80W TDP as the FX-4300 is similarly clocked and at 95W TDP
Sure the drive down to 32nm solved it but i'm pretty sure it's a major redesign
The HD6670's TDP is 66W so don't forget, we aren't so many generations ahead that AMD can shoehorn a VLIW5 (Different platform, HD6770) 108W TDP GPU into a 32nm package.
No, you probably need 22nm to get it down to 50W without redesign. It's already impressive enough that they can shoehorn a

But guess what? You've got no brains

Kinda overboard. Anyways even oc the thing wont help gaming "much"

Its a cheap solution for a rig that does SUPER light gaming, like flash games.... If you are going for a real gaming computer you would go for a i5 or 8320/50 and a REAL graphic card. I find the A10 a pretty interesting all in one processor though. Paves the way for 7970s on a cpu (even though I dont want that)
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Come to think of it, THE A10's iGPU is faster than your current rig's 5670 will ever be



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