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That's half-true, but misses the mark. The frame skipping IS a real phenomenon, but has nothing to with the DVI connection.

Certain 1440p IPS monitors were marketed last year as being 120Hz-capable (including but not limited to a particular batch of Catleap Multis) - these allowed you to set 120Hz on the graphics card / Windows side but were not actually refreshing 120 times/second. These were, in my view, cases of particularly poor form from the manufacturers and/or their eBay sellers, who were aware of the overclocking craze and wanted to cash in on it.

All this was exposed a good half year ago or more for what it was and is now history (for the most part - if people get most of their news from places like OCN then they're possibly unaware of this, again because the topic of overclockable monitors has been taboo for most of the past year).

Edit:
Example of fake 120Hz screen advertised on eBay last year: http://www.ebay.com/itm/120Hz-Overclock-Yamakasi-Catleap-Q270-Multi-2560x1440-WQHD-S-IPS-Monitor-/320931213277?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item4ab8fdafdd

Does this apply to this display for sale at 120hz.net? I was contemplating between an overclockable Korean panel and the Dell U2713HM. I went with the U2713HM.
Edited by tomato16 - 2/14/13 at 11:10am
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Most of the "premium" panels come factory-calibrated but the cheaper ones don't, so your image quality out of the box may be off. Colorimeters (Spyder4, ColorMunki, BlueEye etc) can correct that. It's not a big deal since I assume you're not doing design work, but if color accuracy is important to you, or you think you might want to run more than one monitor (and want them to actually match), it could be a good investment.

If you're curious, TFT Central has an in depth write up on it: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/calibrating.htm

Of course you can always try to eyeball it using the free Windows tool, or just download an ICC profile online, but nothing beats real hardware calibration. biggrin.gif
Honestly my Auria surprised the hell out of me.

Before buying one, I kind of figured these "A- panels" would have some glaring defect or would be barebones on the features, but I was wrong on both counts. My Auria came pixel-perfect, without any backlight bleed or color banding, and with a full range of inputs (DP, HDMI, DL-DVI) and very comprehensive OSD (which made it very calibration friendly). Side by side with my U2711 I can't find any faults with it.

Mine is matte, but the AG isn't as grainy as it is on the U2711.

AFAIK the glossy ones are no longer being stocked, but the matte screens seem to have a better track record for being pixel-perfect thus far (going by other posts in the Auria thread). Unless gloss is a must have for you, I'd definitely recommend grabbing one.
Hmm, interesting. I thought it was a physical pin in/out limitation to the cable.

There was another thread here recently claiming they actually frame skip and interpolate when "overclocked" using DL-DVI.

id rather buy a cheap IPS and a calibrator and use the money i saved towards upgrading my 3820 to a 3930k. smile.gif im not dead set on non AG, so if the price is right i can overlook it. maybe i will get lucky any tthey will have the non ag which i was reading was in a different box then the AG ones.

thanks for the advice
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Does this apply to this display for sale at 120hz.net? I was contemplating between an overclockable Korean panel and the Dell U2713HM. I went with the U2713HM.

No, it only applies to the Multi's the 120hz/Overlord monitors will work fine, expensive, but fine.
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Does this apply to this display for sale at 120hz.net?.

No. Both that screen and the Overlord Tempest X270OC use genuinely overclockable PCBs. Both are also, incidentally, sold out for now
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I'd take my 1600p 60hz monitor over 3 - 120hz smaller rez monitors anyday. been using it since late 2009 and only thing that is / has bothered me about it is how much power is needed to run games on 2560x1600 and what will I do when it finally breaks one day after the 5 year warranty expires.
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What I posted in the vg248qe thread:

Aah, 120hz IPS...the fake holy grail of forums.

Just because you smash 120hz and IPS together, it won't in itself solve some fundamental problems that IPS has vs TN, and make it as fast as a 120+hz TN panel. Like the racing car analogy used earlier, a hybrid limousine/racing car, still won't be as comfy as a limousine nor as fast as a racing car. The vg248qe is meant to push the that racing car envelope aspect.
That said, IPS monitors are getting faster, and the colours on TN panels are getting better(s23a750).

So here is how I think one can look at the problem: IPS/1440p or TN/144hz.
OFC the absolute best would be to try it out irl. But if this is not an option, I can assume that everybody in this dilemma has owned a 60hz TN panel.
Take it from there, and ask yourself if you'd like max responsiveness and fluidity, or the best colours and the sharpest image. Or if you can contend with a hybrid solution, like the catleap 120+hz IPS, but which won't be as good as a full-fledged solution.
It's that simple! And only you know which one is going to satisfy you the most.

My preference: 144hz TN > IPS
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post #27 of 55
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What I posted in the vg248qe thread:

Aah, 120hz IPS...the fake holy grail of forums.

Just because you smash 120hz and IPS together, it won't in itself solve some fundamental problems that IPS has vs TN, and make it as fast as a 120+hz TN panel. Like the racing car analogy used earlier, a hybrid limousine/racing car, still won't be as comfy as a limousine nor as fast as a racing car. The vg248qe is meant to push the that racing car envelope aspect.
That said, IPS monitors are getting faster, and the colours on TN panels are getting better(s23a750).

So here is how I think one can look at the problem: IPS/1440p or TN/144hz.
OFC the absolute best would be to try it out irl. But if this is not an option, I can assume that everybody in this dilemma has owned a 60hz TN panel.
Take it from there, and ask yourself if you'd like max responsiveness and fluidity, or the best colours and the sharpest image. Or if you can contend with a hybrid solution, like the catleap 120+hz IPS, but which won't be as good as a full-fledged solution.
It's that simple! And only you know which one is going to satisfy you the most.

My preference: 144hz TN > IPS

How about getting a PLS/1440p? Many reviews are agreeing the new PLS panels are better than IPS. My Samsung 970D should be here any minute, so i'll see first hand "how" much better. Obviously, PLS panels are out of the budget of most people though (for now)... but I will always take quality over a little bit more responsiveness. I personally can't stand TN's quality.
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I'd take my 1600p 60hz monitor over 3 - 120hz smaller rez monitors anyday. been using it since late 2009 and only thing that is / has bothered me about it is how much power is needed to run games on 2560x1600 and what will I do when it finally breaks one day after the 5 year warranty expires.

There's a lot better 1440p/1600p monitors out now when that breaks... but they do run a fair amount:
1440p - Samsung 970D ($999)
1600p - Dell U3014 ($1499)

Personally, I don't feel 1600p is worth the price difference and there's no PLS 1600p monitors at the moment. The new Dell U3014 is 10bit, so your paying for a color gamut you won't even use as a gamer.
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Does this apply to this display for sale at 120hz.net? I was contemplating between an overclockable Korean panel and the Dell U2713HM. I went with the U2713HM.

The korean monitors are not as good as many make them out to be. They are very good performance/price ratio, and that's why people like them. However, if you sit them next to a quality IPS/PLS panel, you start to see why one cost $300-$500, and the other cost $800-$1000. You also get good warranty buying from Samsung/Dell/Etc.
Edited by Murlocke - 2/15/13 at 6:33am
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I don't buy that those tempest monitors are actually 120hz panels. Sure you can try and push that, but the panel isn't displaying it.

I say 1440p. My Crossover is my first or second best investment on my computer. Tied with the SSD. thumb.gif
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How about getting a PLS/1440p? Many reviews are agreeing the new PLS panels are better than IPS. My Samsung 970D should be here any minute, so i'll see first hand "how" much better. Obviously, PLS panels are out of the budget of most people though (for now)... but I will always take quality over a little bit more responsiveness. I personally can't stand TN's quality.
There's a lot better 1440p/1600p monitors out now when that breaks... but they do run a fair amount:
1440p - Samsung 970D ($999)
1600p - Dell U3014 ($1499)

Personally, I don't feel 1600p is worth the price difference and there's no PLS 1600p monitors at the moment. The new Dell U3014 is 10bit, so your paying for a color gamut you won't even use as a gamer.
The korean monitors are not as good as many make them out to be. They are very good performance/price ratio, and that's why people like them. However, if you sit them next to a quality IPS/PLS panel, you start to see why one cost $300-$500, and the other cost $800-$1000. You also get good warranty buying from Samsung/Dell/Etc.

I have seen the Auria 2560x1440 ips next to the Dell U2713HM and i'm convinced they are the exact panel. I'm not really looking to open my Auria to find out but even the AG coating seemed the same. I saw this at microcenter. I do think that if you get a lucky draw on a korean that it is as good as one of the name brands.
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I do think that if you get a lucky draw on a korean that it is as good as one of the name brands.

I will agree there, if you get lucky on a korean monitor they can be pretty much the same. However, it's an extreme hit or miss and warranty is lacking if you get a dud. mad.gif
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