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aroc91 and huzzbutt are 100% correct.
Keep and open mind, but demand citations and evidence.

And this Cadborosaurus Willsi you say is scientifically recognized is WAY off. That article you listed is hokum, and this creature is still only a cryptid, nothing more.
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post #102 of 134
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I call BS... how hard it is to find a big foot with today technologies? lol Heat scan? etc etc... >.>

As hard as it is the scan for monsters of the deep with sonar and other mapping/imaging technologies. Creatures don't stay still for long and these technologies can only encompass a small area at an given time. It also doesn't help when it comes to caves ( of which some of the largest were just recently discovered ). Caves apply to both on land and under water. There's also forest canopies that'll cover most if not all of the body heat of creatures in dense forests.

Then comes the resources, while most of the people looking for these cryptids are dedicated and spend a lot of time doing it, that doesn't mean they necessarily have the money for the nicer equipment, or their own satellite with infrared cameras on it to be able to focus on a very specific area of the earth at any given time they want.

There is still a ton we don't know about our own planet and the creatures on it. We've only explored what... 5%? of the ocean so far, we've still got a long way to go. And while land has been greatly explored, there's still a lot of unknown on it as well.
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I am a scientist. I deal with published evidence all the time. That's how ideas are spread. I don't have to do run an experiment for myself to consider something valid if somebody else already has and has documented and published it and it's been peer reviewed and stands up to extreme scrutiny.

You're deflecting by saying that your sources would be disregarded because you have no sources other than conspiracy theory websites.

The more you post, the more you embarrass yourself. Either cut to the chase or cut it out.

We're talking Cryptozoology here... there are no legitimate sources to solidify our stance and is entirely up to our own judgement. As a scientist, surely, you aren't honestly ruling out the existence of Sasquatch or even Cadborosaurus Willsi? But perhaps setting it somewhere in the gray, somewhere in the unknown.
post #104 of 134
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As hard as it is the scan for monsters of the deep with sonar and other mapping/imaging technologies. Creatures don't stay still for long and these technologies can only encompass a small area at an given time. It also doesn't help when it comes to caves ( of which some of the largest were just recently discovered ). Caves apply to both on land and under water. There's also forest canopies that'll cover most if not all of the body heat of creatures in dense forests.

Then comes the resources, while most of the people looking for these cryptids are dedicated and spend a lot of time doing it, that doesn't mean they necessarily have the money for the nicer equipment, or their own satellite with infrared cameras on it to be able to focus on a very specific area of the earth at any given time they want.

There is still a ton we don't know about our own planet and the creatures on it. We've only explored what... 5%? of the ocean so far, we've still got a long way to go. And while land has been greatly explored, there's still a lot of unknown on it as well.

You forget that we're talking about gigantic primates though. It'll be incredibly easy to find a new species of gigantic primates if we can know they're out there. We're not talking about one individual in hiding here. And like I said, if there is conclusive evidence they're out there, you can bet anything we will move the world to look for it. It'll be among the most exciting biological discoveries of all time.

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We're talking Cryptozoology here... there are no legitimate sources to solidify our stance and is entirely up to our own judgement. As a scientist, surely, you aren't honestly ruling out the existence of Sasquatch or even Cadborosaurus Willsi? But perhaps setting it somewhere in the gray, somewhere in the unknown.

No. You're talking cryptozoology here. We're talking about people making the statement: There exists on the land of this planet Earth a species of yet unclassified massive upright-walking primates. That is a scientific claim and thus requires empirical evidence. Simple as that.
Edited by Faraz - 2/19/13 at 5:52pm
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We're talking Cryptozoology here... there are no legitimate sources to solidify our stance and is entirely up to our own judgement. As a scientist, surely, you aren't honestly ruling out the existence of Sasquatch or even Cadborosaurus Willsi? But perhaps setting it somewhere in the gray, somewhere in the unknown.

I don't take pseudoscience seriously. Fairies and unicorns are technically in the gray area, but are you ruling out their existence?
    
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post #106 of 134
I'd really like for squatches to exist, but I doubt they exist. Outside of having a "personal encounter" with one, I don't see how someone could seriously think that they exist. I can't say with absolute certainty that they don't exist, but I can take a pretty good, well informed guess.

It's hard to imagine very, very large apes living in most of the areas sightings come from. I don't research apes specifically, but I do research dispersal and distribution of other animals and Skunk Apes in the Florida Everglades seems pretty insane. Although I think yeti are romantic in a way, a huge ape living way up high in a fairly barren environment seems unlikely. I think that in a nutshell, pretty much leaves temperate, deciduous forests as possible yeti territory; yeti in coniferous forests seems unlikely. For real, give me legit facts that would suggest otherwise regarding a yeti's environmental needs. I'm not really a mammal guy, so correct me if my assumptions are very wrong.

As much as I don't like to pull this card, I will: Why hasn't anyone found one yet? Right, there are many undiscovered creatures living today. Many of those creatures are not being actively looked for like the bigfoot is; it's big, popular, and lives on land. Sea creatures live in an environment that is tough for us to explore, at least the squatch lives on land. I can't say that we haven't found it, but seeing as we haven't found at least one dead individual is pretty discouraging.

Edit: I'd like to read the paper, but I won't pay for it. If it were in a reputable journal, I'd get a copy from the school's database access.
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I don't take pseudoscience seriously. Fairies and unicorns are technically in the gray area, but are you ruling out their existence?

Pseudoscience like plate tectonics and atoms?

Fairies and unicorns have no biological support unless horses can grow cutaneous horns much like humans can.
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I like how you're unable to come up with replies to my posts directed at you. Left no wiggle room for loony conspiracies, did I? That's what happens when ambiguous nonsense goes against clear thinking.

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Fairies and unicorns have no biological support unless horses can grow cutaneous horns much like humans can.

Unicorns aren't proposed to be identical to horses with the exception of the horn, though. Mammals like rhinoceros can grow them so why do you have such a closed-mind against horse-like creatures being able to?
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Pseudoscience like plate tectonics and atoms?

Are you serious? We observe and measure continental drift and we've recorded images at the atomic scale. Not comparable at all.
    
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Unicorns aren't proposed to be identical to horses with the exception of the horn, though. Mammals like rhinoceros can grow them so why do you have such a closed-mind against horse-like creatures being able to?
...Because that is the common image of a unicorn? A horse with a horn is it not? Much like Bigfoot is associated with apes. If it makes you feel better; a unicorn is a horse-like creature and Bigfoot is an ape-like creature thumb.gif
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I like how you're unable to come up with replies to my posts directed at you. Left no wiggle room for loony conspiracies, did I? That's what happens when ambiguous nonsense goes against clear thinking.
Didn't realize it was an obligation to respond
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