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Because thinking outside of the box hasn't gotten us very far as a species?

There are many creatures that have been discovered long thought to be extinct, as well as quite a few cryptids.

Most of the larger ones on land discovered has been thought to be extinct for elss than 500 years,
Water dwelling creatures are another thing though, like the Coelacanth.

If Bigfoot existed it would most likely be a direct competitor with bears and it's fairly uncommon that two species have the same predaotry role in an enviroment.
 
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post #72 of 134
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Because thinking outside of the box hasn't gotten us very far as a species?

There are many creatures that have been discovered long thought to be extinct, as well as quite a few cryptids.

Being gullible isn't thinking outside the box.

And a vast difference between thinking something is extinct and discovering it isn't, and believing big foot exists when there isn't a single solitary shred of scientific evidence for it.
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Being gullible isn't thinking outside the box.

And a vast difference between thinking something is extinct and discovering it isn't, and believing big foot exists when there isn't a single solitary shred of scientific evidence for it.

How do you know there isn't? How do you know it's not a surviving Gigantopithecus or similar? No, Bigfoot, Yeti, Sasquatch, Skunkape may not be there scientific names, but don't act like large hominids have never existed and that Bigfoot ( or any other common names from different cultures ) couldn't be a species of ape we thought was extinct. We've been wrong before, we can be wrong again.
post #74 of 134
There are two papers currently. One is a bit suspect. The other genome paper is going through peer review.

How long ago was the mountain gorilla discovered? Look it up, I will wait... The largest cave in the world was discovered just two years ago.

I dunno. With tracks found by reputable people in way out places, and dna testing on hairs in North America stating primate, species unknown, we gotta keep an open mind.

I would also like to know what used to throw large rocks in the river at 2am while I'm fishing! Scary!
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If Bigfoot existed it would most likely be a direct competitor with bears and it's fairly uncommon that two species have the same predatory role in an environment.

Bears have many different direct competitors.

1.) Humans, have been competing with the bears in north america for at least 16,000 years. Humans are one of the weakest primates species. A chimpanzee would rip a bear to pieces, not joking. An adult chimpanzee can easily pull with 1 ton of force. A 700lb grizzly bear would be ripped apart in a matter of minutes. An adult gorilla is really impressive, bench press about 4,600 lb. A bigfoot would be at least twice the strength of a gorilla, twice the size. Which means they could easily bench press your average compact car. Grizzly bear could never do that.

2.) Wolves are direct competitors to bears, in fact wolves will directly steal from bears.

3.) Every year, domestic dog kills hundreds of black bear. Sorry just the way it is.

But black bears are very common. Grizzly bears are rebounding. Wolves are thriving. And feral dogs are increasing. See the problem?
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Bears have many different direct competitors.

1.) Humans, have been competing with the bears in north america for at least 16,000 years. Humans are one of the weakest primates species. A chimpanzee would rip a bear to pieces, not joking. An adult chimpanzee can easily pull with 1 ton of force. A 700lb grizzly bear would be ripped apart in a matter of minutes. An adult gorilla is really impressive, bench press about 4,600 lb. A bigfoot would be at least twice the strength of a gorilla, twice the size. Which means they could easily bench press your average compact car. Grizzly bear could never do that.

2.) Wolves are direct competitors to bears, in fact wolves will directly steal from bears.

3.) Every year, domestic dog kills hundreds of black bear. Sorry just the way it is.

No. A Chimpanzee wouldn't. Chimps would have difficulty handling a Leopard which take Gorillas occasionally let alone a Grizzly Bear. Hell, I'm not so sure a Chimp could even take a Mandrill but that one is entirely a toss-up. Much of what we read on the strength of apes is greatly exaggerated...

I'd love to see a domestic dog kill a grown black bear thumb.gif
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Yeah and so are these guys -->
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Yeah and so are these guys -->

At least we have video evidence those guys exist.
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Bears have many different direct competitors.

1.) Humans, have been competing with the bears in north america for at least 16,000 years. Humans are one of the weakest primates species. A chimpanzee would rip a bear to pieces, not joking. An adult chimpanzee can easily pull with 1 ton of force. A 700lb grizzly bear would be ripped apart in a matter of minutes. An adult gorilla is really impressive, bench press about 4,600 lb. A bigfoot would be at least twice the strength of a gorilla, twice the size. Which means they could easily bench press your average compact car. Grizzly bear could never do that.

Humans weren't competing with bears, Aside from mostly eating shellfish, the tools used meant we could sustain ourselves on mammoth and marmot alike.
You don't need strength when you can chuck a rock, Homo Erectus used tools 3 million years ago. To be fair, strength has little to do with going into a fight, most animals are aware that a fight with anything but a prey is unneccary and dangerous and thus they rather run if they can, monkeys go up in the threes. Even if a chimpanzee theoretically could take on a bear, they wouldn't since they are compete for different foods, Apes up in trees, bears down on the ground.

Can take it any more.... Counterfactual nonsense
Chimpanzees does not live in north america, Europe or asia, they are tropical tree dwellers, the discussion is pointless. A chimpanzee would not be able to sustain itself in the north. Unless someone bringsback roman bloodsports we won't see this happen
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2.) Wolves are direct competitors to bears, in fact wolves will directly steal from bears.
Wolves are not direct competitors of bears, wolves and bears might fight it out over a carcass, in most cases the bear just head out, If they were direct competitors you'd see alot of wolf on bear fight over blueberry patches.

Bears = Omnivores
Wolves = Carnivores
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3.) Every year, domestic dog kills hundreds of black bear. Sorry just the way it is.
Every year domestic dogs kills, humans, horses, cows, and chickens.
The fact that a pack of dogs or a single dog can take down anything does not prove their strength over anything else, they are sacrificial in their tactics, they are group animals and hunt i a way that is beneficient for the group alas: Dogs often end up in insanely stupid fights were they might kill the other animal but in msot cases they're ripped to pieces.
But why on earth are you talking about it?
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But black bears are very common. Grizzly bears are rebounding. Wolves are thriving. And feral dogs are increasing. See the problem?

No i seriously I don't you won't find two competing apex predators with the same type of prey in the same area, for a prolonged period of time. Not gonna happen.

If Bigfoot did exist it would be in competition with blackbears as it would as most apes be an omnivore and that in itself is good enough for me to consider the idea of chewbaccas in the forest preposterous.
 
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No i seriously I don't you won't find two competing apex predators with the same type of prey in the same area, for a prolonged period of time. Not gonna happen.

I completely disagree with this statement.

As an avid outdoorsman, I've spent most of my life in the forests of North America, primarily in the Pacific Northwest, (Northern CA, All of OR, most of WA, and parts of NV, ID, and MT).

I can tell you right now I have seen (multiple times) at least two apex predators "competing" for food; although I prefer the term survival, but to each their own.

just over two years ago I was part of management project in the Blue Mountains in Oregon, in a specific area (roughly 15 square miles) there was 10 Cougars within that area alone, (not including Bears, Coyotes, and Wolves). Normally Cougars have a "estimated" radius of roughly 75 sq miles for 1 cougar. personally I think that is much smaller, but that is just my own personal opinion. that year we killed 6 Cougars, all male, and all fully grown.

this was done because ranchers started to see a spike in calf attacks, to my understanding a team of biologist went into the general area assessed the situation, and than organized the removal of the Cougars.

More recently in Oregon, in the general area of Enterprise there have been a number of cow / calf attacks by Wolves, recently a team killed I believe 4 wolves, however they were not the Alpha male. which is currently causing much controversy between biologist and ranchers.

I've seen Bears and Coyotes fight for a carcass before, I've seen Bears fight for a general area or a sow bear. I could continue but my point is just, apex predators may not always be in general area of each other, but if the food goes into another apex predators area the other one will most certainly follow the food.

As for the Bigfoot phenomenon, I have never seen one, but I want to think they could exist even today, most places they are reported most certainly can sustain a creature such as Bigfoot. however I am a realist, I think the theory of them is valid but the lack of physical proof is not there.

I think if they truly exist the only way the scientific community will call Bigfoot a species is if someone kills one, and shows the world.

there are "those" videos / pictures out there, but are either distorted, fake, old, or can't be categorized, as to say science can't rule out a man in a monkey suit.

The flip side is much scientific research has been conducted on the Patterson film, (the one that we've all seen) the general scientific consensus is they can't disprove it, in some form or another. - at least that is the last time I heard anything about it.

Not saying I believe in Bigfoot, but I do find the phenomenon interesting.
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