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If you ask me there is enough evidence to take serious scientific inquiry. Right now there isn't much, just some guys in the woods making calls they think it makes. However there are numerous (thousands now) prints. Prelim dna finds on hair samples from North America indicate the existence of a non human unknown primate. That was well before this study. I say keep an open mind.
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there are numerous (thousands now) prints. Prelim dna finds on hair samples from North America indicate the existence of a non human unknown primate.

[Citation needed]
    
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Citation is not needed but I'd suggest you do your own research with an open mind and come to your own conclusion. The Giant Squid for quite some time was thought to be a fabled creature popularized by Sea Monster fairytales. Today it is scientifically recognized as a real deep-ocean dwelling animal. Not too long ago scientists, for the first time ever, officially recorded it in its natural habitat.

Cadborosaurus Willsi, a Canadian Sea Serpent, with a reputation much like Scotland's Lochness monster was officially recognized as a new genus and species also not too long ago: http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/Caddy-7.3.2000.html

Keep an open mind folks or better yet, get educated because science is not absolute thumb.gif
Edited by Bruennis - 2/19/13 at 4:03pm
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Citation is not needed but I'd suggest you do your own research with an open mind. The Giant Squid for quite some time was thought to be a fabled creature popularized by Sea Monster fairytales. Today it is scientifically recognized as a real deep-ocean dwelling animal. Not too long ago scientists, for the first time ever, officially recorded it in its natural habitat.

Cadborosaurus Willsi, a Canadian Sea Serpent, with a reputation much like Scotland's Lochness monster was officially recognized as a new genus and species also not too long ago: http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/Caddy-7.3.2000.html

Keep an open mind folks or better yet, get educated because science is not absolute thumb.gif

science is not absolute and that's why citation is needed.
21st century radio is a conspiracy site, the "Cadborosaurus Willsi" is not a recognized species.
Yes, the Kraken was an ancient myth and there might be some parallels to the colossal squid, atleast appearance wise. But sturgeons have a far greater record of wrecking boats albeit small. Whales have been known to take on larger ones if threatened.
But the comparison is faulty, of all the myths in mankinds history very few have been proven or even been recognized by the ever so happy conspiracy movement. Myths like the race of men who consisted of a leg with a mouth and eye, the vegetable lamb, the indian dog people (men with dog heads), cyclops, sirens, the phoenix and the list goes on.
With the reasoning you propose, proving the existance of unicorns is no harder than making up a latin name and have something posted by a conspiracy network.

Keep an open mind but demand scientific method and reasoning.
 
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Citation is not needed but I'd suggest you do your own research with an open mind and come to your own conclusion. The Giant Squid for quite some time was thought to be a fabled creature popularized by Sea Monster fairytales. Today it is scientifically recognized as a real deep-ocean dwelling animal. Not too long ago scientists, for the first time ever, officially recorded it in its natural habitat.

Cadborosaurus Willsi, a Canadian Sea Serpent, with a reputation much like Scotland's Lochness monster was officially recognized as a new genus and species also not too long ago: http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/Caddy-7.3.2000.html

Keep an open mind folks or better yet, get educated because science is not absolute thumb.gif

No. Citation is absolutely needed. In a world filled with crackpots and conspiracy theorists, you better be prepared to back up your claims with reliable evidence. Science never claims to be absolute, but a basic tenet of it is to support your viewpoint the best you can. If it can be asserted without evidence, it can be rejected without evidence.

Your "source" is riddled with holistic, spirit healing, chakra, astrology, new-age loonybin nonsense.

There is no hard evidence for cadborosaurus. All it has are refuted old pictures and shoddy eyewitness accounts. Some random guy giving it a name =/= officially recognized as a new genus and species. It wasn't even an officially granted name, it was a proposal for a name.

Check the "Carcasses" section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadborosaurus_willsi
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science is not absolute and that's why citation is needed.
21st century radio is a conspiracy site, the "Cadborosaurus Willsi" is not a recognized species.
Yes, the Kraken was an ancient myth and there might be some parallels to the colossal squid, atleast appearance wise. But sturgeons have a far greater record of wrecking boats albeit small. Whales have been known to take on larger ones if threatened.
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With the reasoning you propose, proving the existance of unicorns is no harder than making up a latin name and have something posted by a conspiracy network.

Keep an open mind but demand scientific method and reasoning.

Now, you're just having too much fun only you're missing fire-spitting dragons and the Mothman.

Even citation and/or proof is not entirely correct sometimes not correct at all and requires editing or remodeling to accommodate new findings that challenge current reasoning.

It's not all that preposterous to reason the existence of Bigfoot, Sasquatch, or the Yeti.
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No. Citation is absolutely needed. In a world filled with crackpots and conspiracy theorists, you better be prepared to back up your claims with reliable evidence. Science never claims to be absolute, but a basic tenet of it is to support your viewpoint the best you can. If it can be asserted without evidence, it can be rejected without evidence.

Your "source" is riddled with holistic, spirit healing, chakra, astrology, new-age loonybin nonsense.

There is no hard evidence for cadborosaurus. All it has are refuted old pictures and shoddy eyewitness accounts. Some random guy giving it a name =/= officially recognized as a new genus and species. It wasn't even an officially granted name, it was a proposal for a name.

And what use would citation be on Overclock.net? Are you all of a sudden going to convert if the proof is convincing enough? That is why I suggested that you should do your own research and come to your own conclusion much like what real scientists do despite what is written in textbooks or what is commonly accepted to be true.
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Now, you're just having too much fun only you're missing fire-spitting dragons and the Mothman.

I think you misunderstood me gravely.
I pointed out preposterous creatures, because they are preposterous, you choose what to believe, choosing the less preposterous ones doesn't make it any less preposterous to believe in them at all.
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Even citation and/or proof is not entirely correct sometimes not correct at all and requires editing or remodeling to accommodate new findings that challenge current reasoning.

I never said that cited sources are correct, but citation is needed to verify claims and statements, it's a basic part of higher education.
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It's not all that preposterous to reason the existence of Bigfoot, Sasquatch, or the Yeti.

It's extremely preposterous to believe that a 400 pound gorilla can survive in a barren, oxygen deprived climate.
It's pretty much the pinnacle of preposterous... no that would be flying whales living in side clouds, feeding on microorganisms in the water and sunrays, the yeti is close though.... Nope Cumulus clouds are closer to the ground. The yeti wins this round.

But would you please explain to me why you would use a conspiracy network as a source for a claim that is false?
 
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Citation is not needed but I'd suggest you do your own research with an open mind and come to your own conclusion. The Giant Squid for quite some time was thought to be a fabled creature popularized by Sea Monster fairytales. Today it is scientifically recognized as a real deep-ocean dwelling animal. Not too long ago scientists, for the first time ever, officially recorded it in its natural habitat.

Cadborosaurus Willsi, a Canadian Sea Serpent, with a reputation much like Scotland's Lochness monster was officially recognized as a new genus and species also not too long ago: http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/Caddy-7.3.2000.html

Keep an open mind folks or better yet, get educated because science is not absolute thumb.gif


Nah, the following statement requires a source:
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Prelim dna finds on hair samples from North America indicate the existence of a non human unknown primate

It's not common knowledge. It's not something each individual can personally experience. And it's not something that occurred to Stanjam on his own. All we're asking is where he read/heard that information, because it is very exciting and interesting information.

I'm all for keeping an open mind. That means I'm going to suspend judgement on all such issues until convincing evidence is furnished, which in the case of a gorilla-sized upright-walking non-human primate would be pretty much news footage on every channel and news website and documentaries on BBC, National Geographic, etc, and perhaps exhibits in museums. Because that is precisely what will happen in the blink of an eye if Bigfoot was found to exist. I'll need that or at the very least enough conclusive, verifiable evidence to be uncovered for the scientific community at large to agree that it is very likely that this organism exists and warrants serious search efforts.

After all, in 2013 a very large distinct-looking primate species has almost zero chance of remaining hidden if we start looking for them.

And the giant squid was discovered like other species are discovered. Before it was discovered, there would have been little to no reason to state that it exists. There's a small difference also in the two cases. Deep-dwelling marine organisms would even today be much more elusive than a huge land species.
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And what use would citation be on Overclock.net? Are you all of a sudden going to convert if the proof is convincing enough? That is why I suggested that you should do your own research and come to your own conclusion much like what real scientists do despite what is written in textbooks or what is commonly accepted to be true.

I am a scientist. I deal with published evidence all the time. That's how ideas are spread. I don't have to do run an experiment for myself to consider something valid if somebody else already has and has documented and published it and it's been peer reviewed and stands up to extreme scrutiny.

You're deflecting by saying that your sources would be disregarded because you have no sources other than conspiracy theory websites.

The more you post, the more you embarrass yourself. Either cut to the chase or cut it out.
    
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